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Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by MangoToupe »

kwanbix wrote: post #11
matdehaast wrote: post #8

It feels like Intel and AMD are asleep at the wheel with their mobile lineup. I've been looking at non-apple equivalents that have similar performance/power as the M lineup and it seems they all lag about 20%+. For $800 the M4 Air just seems like one of the best tech deals around.

If you are OK with the closed apple ecosystem, sure, but I mean, 20% is not that much for 99% of the population. Don't get me wrong, I really admire what apple has done with the M CPUs, but I personally prefer the freedom of being able to install linux, bsd, windows, and even weirder OSes like Haiku.

> I personally prefer the freedom of being able to install linux, bsd, windows, and even weirder OSes like Haiku.

I certainly don't think that matters to the vast majority of the population

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by liuliu »

socalgal2 wrote: post #78
AlphaAndOmega0 wrote: post #16

I own an M4 iPad Pro and can't figure out what to do with even a fraction of the horsepower, given iPadOS's limitations. The rumors about an upcoming touchscreen Mac are interesting, perhaps Apple will deign to make their ridiculously overpowered SOCs usable for general purpose computing. A man can dream..

AFAICT, lots of "AI" related stuff runs slow on M1,M2,M3,M4 I don't know if this already exists but it would be nice to see these added to benchmarks. Maybe it's possible to get Apple devices to do stable diffusion and related tech faster and just needs some incentives (winning benchmarks) for people to spend some effort. Otherwise though, my Apple Silicon is way slower than my consumer level NVidia Silicon

No, iPad Pro won't be faster than 4090s or 4070s (or even 5% of the speed of 4090).

But newer chips might contain Neural Accelerator to close the gap a little bit (i.e. 10%??).

(I maintain https://apps.apple.com/us/app/draw-things-ai-generation/id64...)

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by MangoToupe »

rapind wrote: post #55
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reduced horsepower relative to M-series isn't a problem for me as much as efficiency is. Both Intel and AMD seem to struggle with building a CPU that doesn't guzzle battery without also seriously restricting performance. This really sucks. The nice thing about high end (Mx Pro/Max) MBPs is that if you need desktop-like power, it's there, but they can also do a pretty good job pretending to be MacBook Airs and str…

> On the desktop front I think AMD has been killing it but both companies need to start from scratch for laptops. IMO Apple is killing it with the mac mini too. Obviously not if you're gaming (that has a lot to do with the OS though), but if you're OK with the OS, it's a powerhouse for the size, noise, and energy required.

I've been running a Mac mini as a gaming machine for years; an egpu is much cheaper than building a whole new desktop tower.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by Greed »

kwanbix wrote: post #11
matdehaast wrote: post #8

It feels like Intel and AMD are asleep at the wheel with their mobile lineup. I've been looking at non-apple equivalents that have similar performance/power as the M lineup and it seems they all lag about 20%+. For $800 the M4 Air just seems like one of the best tech deals around.

If you are OK with the closed apple ecosystem, sure, but I mean, 20% is not that much for 99% of the population. Don't get me wrong, I really admire what apple has done with the M CPUs, but I personally prefer the freedom of being able to install linux, bsd, windows, and even weirder OSes like Haiku.

Agreed. Even as an enthusiast if I could take the performance hit and keep the M4's battery life, I'd do it in a heartbeat just for the ability to run linux.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by pizza234 »

matdehaast wrote: post #8

It feels like Intel and AMD are asleep at the wheel with their mobile lineup. I've been looking at non-apple equivalents that have similar performance/power as the M lineup and it seems they all lag about 20%+. For $800 the M4 Air just seems like one of the best tech deals around.

Each Ryzen generation increased performance significantly, so AMD is definitely not asleep at the wheel.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by matdehaast »

franczesko wrote: post #61
matdehaast wrote: post #8

It feels like Intel and AMD are asleep at the wheel with their mobile lineup. I've been looking at non-apple equivalents that have similar performance/power as the M lineup and it seems they all lag about 20%+. For $800 the M4 Air just seems like one of the best tech deals around.

AMD asleep? I didn't think this is accurate

If you read the first half of the sentence then yeah.... The complete sentence clarifies "with their mobile lineup"

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by matdehaast »

pizza234 wrote: post #85
matdehaast wrote: post #8

It feels like Intel and AMD are asleep at the wheel with their mobile lineup. I've been looking at non-apple equivalents that have similar performance/power as the M lineup and it seems they all lag about 20%+. For $800 the M4 Air just seems like one of the best tech deals around.

Each Ryzen generation increased performance significantly, so AMD is definitely not asleep at the wheel.

I'm talking specifically about their mobile lineup, not desktop. And more specifically the performance to power efficiency the M series is getting. It is more than 2 generations behind.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by thewebguyd »

zdragnar wrote: post #80
traceroute66 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but I mean, 20% is not that much for 99% of the population. As long as you're ok being tethered to the wall, and even then, guzzling power. The whole point of Apple Silicon is that its performance is exactly the same on battery as tethered to the wall AND it delivers that performance with unmatched power efficiency. Its the same on pure desktop. Look at the performance per watt of the Mac Mini. Its just nuts how po…

I was just looking at an HP laptop with a snapdragon X processor that claimed 34 hours of battery life while watching video. It'd be tempting if I had any idea what the software compatibility story would be like. For example, the company I'm contracting with now requires a device monitor for SOC2 compliance (ensuring OS patches are applied and hard drive encryption remains on). They don't even want to do it, but thei…

It may still work. The prism emulation is pretty good, almost on par with Rosetta2.

I have the surface laptop 7 with the X elite in it. The only thing I've ran into that outright didn't run was MSSQL server.

It's not my main machine, that is still an M4 Macbook pro but I hop on it occasionally to keep up with what Windows is doing or if I need to help someone with something windows specific. I've got WSL2, Docker, VSCode, etc. all running just fine.

It's decent, but not amazing. Feels a little slower than my M2 Air I have but not much, most of that is probably just windows being windows.

Would be nice to be able to get Linux running on one of these

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by satellite2 »

matdehaast wrote: post #8

It feels like Intel and AMD are asleep at the wheel with their mobile lineup. I've been looking at non-apple equivalents that have similar performance/power as the M lineup and it seems they all lag about 20%+. For $800 the M4 Air just seems like one of the best tech deals around.

For the same price you have an AMD Ryzen AI 9 365 which has 50% higher performance in cpubenchmark

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by vient »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #23
matdehaast wrote: post #8

It feels like Intel and AMD are asleep at the wheel with their mobile lineup. I've been looking at non-apple equivalents that have similar performance/power as the M lineup and it seems they all lag about 20%+. For $800 the M4 Air just seems like one of the best tech deals around.

The reduced horsepower relative to M-series isn't a problem for me as much as efficiency is. Both Intel and AMD seem to struggle with building a CPU that doesn't guzzle battery without also seriously restricting performance. This really sucks. The nice thing about high end (Mx Pro/Max) MBPs is that if you need desktop-like power, it's there, but they can also do a pretty good job pretending to be MacBook Airs and str…

> building a CPU that doesn't guzzle battery

It may be the software problem as well. On Windows I regularly need to find which new app started to eat battery like crazy. Usually it ends up being something third-party related to hardware, like Alienware app constantly making WMI requests (high CPU usage of svchost.exe hosting a WMI provider, disabling Alienware service helped), Intel Killer Wi-Fi software doing something when I did not even know it was installed on my PC (disabling all related services helped), Dell apps doing something, MSI apps doing something... you get the idea.

It seems like a class of problems which you simply can't have on macOS because of closed ecosystem.

Without all this stuff my Intel 155H works pretty decently, although I'm sure it is far away from M-series in terms of performance.

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