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Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by illusive4080 »

vient wrote: post #90
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #23

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The reduced horsepower relative to M-series isn't a problem for me as much as efficiency is. Both Intel and AMD seem to struggle with building a CPU that doesn't guzzle battery without also seriously restricting performance. This really sucks. The nice thing about high end (Mx Pro/Max) MBPs is that if you need desktop-like power, it's there, but they can also do a pretty good job pretending to be MacBook Airs and str…

> building a CPU that doesn't guzzle battery It may be the software problem as well. On Windows I regularly need to find which new app started to eat battery like crazy. Usually it ends up being something third-party related to hardware, like Alienware app constantly making WMI requests (high CPU usage of svchost.exe hosting a WMI provider, disabling Alienware service helped), Intel Killer Wi-Fi software doing someth…

The Mac ecosystem isn’t as closed as you’re alluding to. You can easily download unsigned binaries and run them. Furthermore, if you’re looking for a battery hog, look no further than Microsoft Defender, Jamf Protect, and Elasticbeat. All 3 of those are forcibly installed on my work laptop and guzzle up CPU and battery.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by School-Cotton »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #96
stego-tech wrote: post #72

Damn impressive if true, but I’ll be honest, I still don’t feel the need to replace my M1 iPad Pro or my M1 Pro Macbook Pro. They’re both more than amazing for my use cases - though if Apple suddenly took gaming seriously, like extending Rosetta to act as a translation layer for Windows games a la Proton, I’d gladly throw down for an M5 Ultra when it’s released.

In all honesty, I don't think cpu has ever been a huge limitation for me outside of gaming. The biggest bottlenecks for me have always been disk speed and memory. My soon-to-be decade old xps 13 gets on well enough, except it only has 8gb of soldered on ram. That absolutely is a bottle neck for me.

I guess you don’t work in C++ or Rust. Compile times are a bitch and they’re completely CPU-bound.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by ysleepy »

remix2000 wrote: post #50
matdehaast wrote: post #8

It feels like Intel and AMD are asleep at the wheel with their mobile lineup. I've been looking at non-apple equivalents that have similar performance/power as the M lineup and it seems they all lag about 20%+. For $800 the M4 Air just seems like one of the best tech deals around.

Depends how you frame it; in my eyes, I'd be paying $1.4k USD after sales tax (at least here in the EU) for a laptop with measly 16 gigs of RAM… I could buy two normal laptops to outperform that for a price of one!

The 16/256 M4 MacBook Air costs 850€ including 19% vat here in DE, so your numbers are way off or you live somewhere with very unfortunate peicing in the eu.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by illusive4080 »

davrosthedalek wrote: post #111
dijit wrote: post #28

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I keep hearing this, but I'd venture that a majority of those making it will most likely end up on Windows full time anyway. Which is not materially worse than MacOS, no matter how much MacOS is shooting themselves in the foot.

With WSL2, Windows is better, sad, but true.

This is a very subjective take.

If you like Windows, you’ll find it better with WSL2. In fact, I see many developers at my org who claim they’ll switch to Windows (from Mac) when we make it available internally.

However, if you love Mac, you'll never find Windows palpable no matter what.

And then there’s all shades of gray.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by sudoshred »

pylotlight wrote: post #241
steve_adams_86 wrote: post #189

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I use one for software development and it's great. Sometimes rust builds are slow and I'd love to force that to be faster with hardware (optimizing build time would be a huge undertaking with not-so-great returns), otherwise I'm totally content. I also have an M2 Max with 32GB of RAM that still feels like magic. I've never had computers that felt so fast for so long.

I dunno, working with M1 daily I struggle with resource contention and slow py/js builds. I'd love something faster when work provides me with updated device.

My m1 16gb pro gets throttled (and manually restarted) every time vs code hits 100gb ram usage when running jest unit tests. Don’t know who to blame but 99% sure the problem is my source code and not the machine.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by YmiYugy »

zmmmmm wrote: post #258

The real question for me is how much they target GPU support towards accelerating language and vision models in the Macbook Pro lineup. I don't know if Apple actually cares but they've got a huge opportunity to steal the spotlight from nVidia if they make inference competitive with nVidia chips.

Nvidia's spotlight comes from $30k datacenter GPUs and network equipment. So unless Apple starts making those, nobody but a few privacy conscious enthusiasts will care about running some mediocre models at glacial speeds on their MacBook.

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Post by nixosbestos »

willis936 wrote: post #243
GeekyBear wrote: post #206

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Asahi isn't in choppy waters. The new project leadership team made the decision to prioritize getting their existing work upstreamed into the Linux kernel, before working on supporting newer SOCs. It's been going well.

Oh, has Linus clarified Linux's position on rust patches in the kernel? I hadn't heard.

Rust has been in the kernel for sometime now? With 6.18 to include significantly more including arguably the single most important component of Android, binder, entirely re-written in Rust.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by rowanG077 »

GeekyBear wrote: post #259
rowanG077 wrote: post #252

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yes you said that. That doesn't mean losing two very important team members who both have unique skillset just doesn't have any impact. You really can't just waive that away with "New leadership has decided to upstream the existing work before moving on to work on supporting newer chips". That Alyssa is no longer involved definitely is a huge loss for Asahi, I'm very surprised you can even attempt to deny this.

> That Alyssa is no longer involved definitely is a huge loss for Asahi Are you under the impression that Linux is about to abandon OpenGL and Vulkan in favor of a new graphics API that only Alyssa could possibly implement?

No. I am under the impression that there is no replacement on the horizon that could take on the challenge of further optimizing the GPU driver and work on M3/M4/M5 GPU support once upstreaming efforts have settled down.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by vient »

illusive4080 wrote: post #261
vient wrote: post #90

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> building a CPU that doesn't guzzle battery It may be the software problem as well. On Windows I regularly need to find which new app started to eat battery like crazy. Usually it ends up being something third-party related to hardware, like Alienware app constantly making WMI requests (high CPU usage of svchost.exe hosting a WMI provider, disabling Alienware service helped), Intel Killer Wi-Fi software doing someth…

The Mac ecosystem isn’t as closed as you’re alluding to. You can easily download unsigned binaries and run them. Furthermore, if you’re looking for a battery hog, look no further than Microsoft Defender, Jamf Protect, and Elasticbeat. All 3 of those are forcibly installed on my work laptop and guzzle up CPU and battery.

> You can easily download unsigned binaries and run them

Of course, but I assume you don't really need to install third-party apps to control hardware. In my case Alienware and Dell bloat came from me setting up an Alienware monitor. MSI bloat came from setting up MSI GPU. Intel Killer stuff just got automatically installed by Windows Update, it seems.

> Microsoft Defender

This one I immediately disable after Windows installation so no problems here :)

On work we get CrowdStrike Falcon, it seems pretty tame for now. Guess it depends on IT-controlled scan settings though.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by illusive4080 »

vient wrote: post #269
illusive4080 wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Mac ecosystem isn’t as closed as you’re alluding to. You can easily download unsigned binaries and run them. Furthermore, if you’re looking for a battery hog, look no further than Microsoft Defender, Jamf Protect, and Elasticbeat. All 3 of those are forcibly installed on my work laptop and guzzle up CPU and battery.

> You can easily download unsigned binaries and run them Of course, but I assume you don't really need to install third-party apps to control hardware. In my case Alienware and Dell bloat came from me setting up an Alienware monitor. MSI bloat came from setting up MSI GPU. Intel Killer stuff just got automatically installed by Windows Update, it seems. > Microsoft Defender This one I immediately disable after Windows…

Re: Microsoft Defender, I’m actually talking about defender on macOS. It is a multi platform product. I hear infosec is pretty happy with it. Me? It uses 100% CPU even when I’m doing nothing. I’m not happy.
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