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What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by crazygringo »

andersa wrote: post #102
crazygringo wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if I can't? What if you're in the photo? What if you're doing something newsworthy? Or what if you're right behind the person doing something newsworthy?

> What if you're in the photo? Blur that region before posting it with an algorithm that can't be reversed. The camera app could even do this automatically. > What if you're doing something newsworthy? Every good rule has some exceptions.

Sorry. I just don't think parents at the park who take photos of their kids and share them on a public site with friends should be legally required to blur any passerby's face or go to jail.

If they want to do it voluntarily then great. But making it criminal if you don't -- I don't understand that.

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Post by op00to »

crazygringo wrote: post #45
ixsploit wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you know, not making it public. And if you might need to make the photo public, you could blur the faces.

And your want to make that the law, so you get fined or go to jail if you don't blur everyone's face on every photo you post if you haven't gotten a signed consent from them?

OP didn’t respect his fellow hobbyists by asking them to not film him. Why should OP expect respect in return?

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Post by nemomarx »

haskellshill wrote: post #73
tietjens wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this argument is logically flawed. When you say public means not private you are glossing over the fact that public never before meant "available via digital media to the world." Instead it mean a public which had a localized context. Doesn't mean you are wrong, but you're paving over this obvious fact.

But what practical difference does it have that it's "available via digital media to the world."? Are you just opposed to people not in your physical location seeing you? Why?

There's a clear difference in scale between "people who also go to a private airsoft meetup with me will see me" and "the entire global population can see me", right?

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by agedclock »

I found this frustrating to read. First the other airsoft participates he seems to seem to be okay with people filming. There is clearly no expectation of privacy.

> I occasionally see people saying “well, if you don’t want to be in photos published online, don’t be in public spaces”.

>

> This is nonsense, for a number of reasons. Clearly, one should be able to exist in society, including going outside one’s own home, without needing to accept this kind of thing.

There is no expectation of privacy in any place that is considered public.

I don't like it that things are recorded around the clock or by anyone and be broadcast anywhere, but the ship on this has sailed long ago.

> In any case, here, the issue is somewhat different, since it is a private site, where people engage in private activity (a hobby). > > But then I’ve seen the same at (private) conferences, with people saying “Of course I’m free to take photos of identifiable individuals without their consent and publish them online”.

Again is there an expectation of privacy? Are people told that they are not allowed to use their cameras?

It is whether the is a expectation of privacy. A McDonald's or a Burger King is "private property", but there is no expectation of privacy. I would not expect privacy at an airsoft, paint-balling or any other outdoor activity even if it is on private property.

A public toilet cubical is a public place with an expectation of privacy.

> Publishing someone’s photo online, without their consent, without another strong justification, just because they happen to be in view of one’s camera lens, feels wrong to me

It depends whether there was an expectation of privacy as whether it should feel wrong. If there isn't an expectation of privacy. Then this is nothing else than you "not liking it".

> This isn’t about what is legal (although, in some cases, claims of legality may be poorly conceived), but around my own perceptions of a private life, and a dislike for the fact that, just because one can publish such things, that one should.

How else is this supposed to be tacked if not by what is legally permissible?

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Post by delichon »

Gigachad wrote: post #83
aeve890 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>but it’s also just part of life. Yeah? Who said that? Any selfish person can say the same about anything. "Yeah my dog shat your lawn but that's just part of life. Deal with it". What's part of life is different for everyone. >I get annoyed when people smoke in public or pointlessly honk horns at night. Yeah that's annoying, but neither the smoke or the honk are records of your private life published without consent…

I personally don’t believe that filming airsoft is unreasonable. It’s not unreasonable for OP to not like it, but the majority are either fine with it or filming themselves. So it’s a situation of either dealing with it, or finding a new group to hang out with.

Agree. This isn't about consent when he knows he'll be recorded and participates anyway. Putting it on a consent form wouldn't make it any clearer.

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Post by op00to »

brna-2 wrote: post #34
paulcole wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is solved. Videos and photos are allowed in public spaces. You just don’t like the solution.

Heh, you could be right on this one. But on the other hand, if I was the one filming and I knew a person in the frame wanted more privacy if possible I would be glad to omit them or cut them out.

Sure. They could simply ask you nicely and accept whatever the result is. This is the case now.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by martin-t »

Attention-seeking behaviors (such as an obsession with recording everything and putting it online) are unhealthy and a possible symptom of anti-social traits such as narcissism.

Unfortunately for all of us, if public-by-default becomes the norm, then this is gonna lead to even more social cooling, more conformism and less freedom.

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Post by Simulacra »

tietjens wrote: post #7

This made me chuckle remembering the time a friend photographed a dog in a bicycle in Berlin and was yelled at by the owner until the photo was deleted. Photographing a pet crossed a big red privacy line. Seems absurd, but I think sensitivity to the phenomenon the author is noting will vary by country.

https://xkcd.com/642/

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by siva7 »

gms7777 wrote: post #108
eterm wrote: post #29

I wonder if it's a generational or cultural difference present in the comments here. I am sympathetic to the author, and I also find video a bit invasive of privacy in a way that photos aren't. I therefore find the (obviously common) attitude that videos are just "something you need to accept" quite alien, but I wonder how much of that attitude is just comments coming from a younger generation that have grown up with…

I’m currently wedding planning and regularly visit a wedding planning forum. I was left flabbergasted the other day when someone posted if it would be ok to ask guests to not post pictures of the couple on social media. They’re ok with guests posting pictures of themselves or of the venue and decor, they just don’t really want pictures of the bride and groom. The response ranged from “you can ask but you can’t preven…

It could be more that those hanging around on wedding planning forums aren't really representative of the younger generation. If it's a wish of the couple, they should clearly communicate this on the invitation.

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Post by latexr »

eterm wrote: post #29

I wonder if it's a generational or cultural difference present in the comments here. I am sympathetic to the author, and I also find video a bit invasive of privacy in a way that photos aren't. I therefore find the (obviously common) attitude that videos are just "something you need to accept" quite alien, but I wonder how much of that attitude is just comments coming from a younger generation that have grown up with…

> I also find video a bit invasive of privacy in a way that photos aren't.

I’d argue photos can be more invasive. If someone makes a 10 minute video and you’re somewhere in the background for 5 seconds, no one may ever notice. Furthermore, with compression artefacts for motion you may become difficult to recognise.

But if you’re in a photo, people will be looking at it for longer and are thus most likely to notice you and possibly zoom in on you with all the quality the static sensor provides.

Furthermore, photographs have greater potential to create false narratives. A snapshot taken at the wrong millisecond can easily make you look like a creep or weirdo when a video would’ve made it clear you were just turning your head or starting a yawn.

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