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What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by jen729w »

I get it, but the alternative is what? Get model release forms from anyone in a public space every time you turn your video camera on? Who's to say how much of you I have in the shot? Do you feature? Did you flash by? Are you blurred? Recognisable?

I was shooting video of a car park exit last year. (I was trying to prove to the shopping centre owners that it was dangerous.) Mundane footage. Some lady drives out in her car and sees me. Winds the window down and starts on the you don't have the right to film me carry-on.

I politely informed her that, I'm sorry, but I do. She's in public. That's the law (in Australia).

Another fun one, while I'm here. C. 2010, we're shooting a music video in central Melbourne. We're on the public pavement. There's a bank ATM waaaay in the background. Bank security come out. Sorry mate, you can't film here.

We told them, we can. We're on public land. So they call the cops. We politely wait for the cops. The cops turn up.

"This sounded much more interesting on the radio", the cop says. They left us alone to finish the shoot.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by tietjens »

tiahura wrote: post #6

He acknowledges the issue in the article, but doesn’t seem to grasp it fully. Public means not private. What you do in public is not private. In presumptive free societies, when in public, one is allowed to notice what others are doing in public. Secret is the opposite of public. The paranoia around being seen feels a lot like the other reptile-brain based phobias like fear of poisoning with vaccines.

I think this argument is logically flawed. When you say public means not private you are glossing over the fact that public never before meant "available via digital media to the world." Instead it mean a public which had a localized context. Doesn't mean you are wrong, but you're paving over this obvious fact.

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Post by swiftcoder »

tiahura wrote: post #6

He acknowledges the issue in the article, but doesn’t seem to grasp it fully. Public means not private. What you do in public is not private. In presumptive free societies, when in public, one is allowed to notice what others are doing in public. Secret is the opposite of public. The paranoia around being seen feels a lot like the other reptile-brain based phobias like fear of poisoning with vaccines.

"noticing" is not the same as "permanently documenting and broadcasting to the internet". Used to be one needed to get signed photo releases from passerbys who appeared in your shots...

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by crazygringo »

The answer seems pretty simple.

Ask your teammates not to take videos, or find a different group or a different hobby. But since they genuinely enjoy posting the videos, and there's nothing wrong with that, you're probably the one who's going to have move on.

You're entitled to not want videos of you taken in public places showing up online. But you're not entitled to getting that outcome.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by brna-2 »

Wow, such a nice idea with the purple lanyard it would be great to have something like this in general, walking down the streets someone films you and them or even YT or viewers to scan/flag the videos in question. I guess EU could put forth such regulation - no biggie. Maybe we could also create a framework on existing legislation - design a lanyard, put a QR on it leading to a "I do not consent" site. Advertise it a bit and I'm sure it would be newsworthy, at-least in EU, not sure about the rest of the world.

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Post by paulcole »

> Clearly, one should be able to exist in society, including going outside one’s own home, without needing to accept this kind of thing.

This is not clear at all to me.

When you go into public you’re accepting that you might be filmed. The reality is that you are being filmed constantly. It’s just that it bothers you sometimes.

It reminds me of The Light of Other Days (a book about a society where technology makes any privacy impossible). Nearly everybody gets over it really quick and the world moves on.

The good news about this is that hardly any normal person would ever watch these Airsoft videos for more than 5 or 10 seconds.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by spacecadet »

This. Im a dick and straight up demand people exclude me or stop filming. Consumers are ravenous for money making content and have no clue what a media business privacy, consent, and compensation legal framework even remotely look like. As someone who produced a few short documentaries in the early 2000s related to "hobbies", I would have never done so without full consent and compensation...

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by brna-2 »

crazygringo wrote: post #14

The answer seems pretty simple. Ask your teammates not to take videos, or find a different group or a different hobby. But since they genuinely enjoy posting the videos, and there's nothing wrong with that, you're probably the one who's going to have move on. You're entitled to not want videos of you taken in public places showing up online. But you're not entitled to getting that outcome.

Think bigger - public spaces, streets, in general. Would be nice to solve this.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by paulcole »

brna-2 wrote: post #15

Wow, such a nice idea with the purple lanyard it would be great to have something like this in general, walking down the streets someone films you and them or even YT or viewers to scan/flag the videos in question. I guess EU could put forth such regulation - no biggie. Maybe we could also create a framework on existing legislation - design a lanyard, put a QR on it leading to a "I do not consent" site. Advertise it…

> I guess EU could put forth such regulation - no biggie

Yes! Another EU regulation will solve this right quick.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by piqufoh »

ofrzeta wrote: post #9

Maybe off-topic and patronizing .. sorry about that. "Running around in the woods, firing small plastic pellets at other people, in pursuit of a contrived-to-be-fun mission, turns out to be, well, fun." I was wondering if there are no biodegradable bullets for Airsoft and found out that they exist. Maybe a better solution than plastic in the woods.

Not patronising, this was exactly my first (and off-topic) thought as well.

We have lived in our house for +15 years and we still regularly find small fluorescent yellow ball bearings in the garden soil from the previous owners family. These things are here to stay

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