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Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

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Re: Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

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> We published the cryptographic keys in July Everyone should take a look at the SERP screenshot https://x.com/d0tslash/status/1969412224763498769 > The vulnerability combines multiple security issues: hardcoded cryptographic keys, trivial authentication bypass, and unsanitized command injection. What makes this particularly concerning is that it's completely wormable - infected robots can automatically compromise ot…

Move fast & break things

Re: Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

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This is going to be a big problem. Mobile robots need an independent emergency stop safety system that cannot be updated or bypassed remotely.

Soon we will have to carry an EMP everywhere.

Won't work. EMP-proofing is now standard for drones from both sides in the Russia-Ukraine war. As is operating while jammed.

Re: Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

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> We published the cryptographic keys in July Everyone should take a look at the SERP screenshot https://x.com/d0tslash/status/1969412224763498769 > The vulnerability combines multiple security issues: hardcoded cryptographic keys, trivial authentication bypass, and unsanitized command injection. What makes this particularly concerning is that it's completely wormable - infected robots can automatically compromise ot…

Finally, the robots can form a union

Jeff Bezos's worst nightmare

Re: Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

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Umm, robots need to be certified and regulated to hard coded robotic laws or something. Before criminals give them guns, or strap explosives to them, or remote takeover and untracibly murder people in their homes then burn the house down.

Replace "robot" with "computer", and it will quickly become obvious how impractical "hard coded robotic laws or something" actually is...

Re: Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

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yes, laundry, folding and ironing clothes, taking out the garbage, so that us humans can then have more free time to contemplate the mysteries of the universe/work harder. not - take our jobs so we have to keep "reskilling" every 10 years... oh wait, according to accenture, we'd be un-reskillable after 10 years, so never mind.

The irony is that, at this point, the machines are getting better than us at "contemplating the mysteries of the universe", while manual labor remains our distinct competitive advantage over them. I.e. literally the opposite of what we wanted to happen.

> the machines are getting better than us at "contemplating the mysteries of the universe"

No they aren’t. Relative to idiots, of which there are many, sure. But for anyone on this board who should be able to distinguish meaningless babble from deep thought, LLMs are not yet doing any heavy lifting.

LLMs can assist great thinkers, like a great lab assistant or analyst. But that’s about the limit right now. (Of course, being a great lab assistant or analyst is beyond many peoples’ capabilities, so the illusion of magic is sustained.)

Re: Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

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Why are all the videos of the robots doing combat stuff? I don't need combat stuff. All I need the robot to do is fold the laundry and mop every now and then. Less combat, please!

One leads to the other. Especially with robots animated by SOTA AI models, which already show clearly what the natural order of things is: computers are naturally better at thinking, humans are naturally better as general-purpose manual laborers, especially for work that's almost but not quite repetitive and requires mixing power and precision movements on the fly. Folding laundry is one of such things humans are nat…

> And no, I'm not joking here, not anymore. The more I think about it, the more I feel we'll eventually have to deal with the problem that machines we build are naturally better at the things we want to be doing, and naturally worse at the things we want them to do for us.

Perhaps, but also "what they are good at" != "what they want to do", for any interpretation of "want" that may or may not anthropomorphise, e.g. I want to be more flirtatious but I was never good at it and now I'm nearly 42.

That said, I think you're underestimating the machines on physicality. Artifical muscle substitutes have beaten humans on raw power since soon after the steam engine, and on fine control whenever precision engineering passed below the thickness of a human hair.

Re: Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

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> Computers are naturally better at computing. Explain the difference. > I look forward to hearing how you've delegated thought to the machines, and how that's going. We all do. That's what you do whenever you fire up a maps app on your phone to plan or navigate, or when you use car navigation. That's what you do when you let the computer sort a list, or notify you about something. That's literally what using Compute…

>> Computers are naturally better at computing. > Explain the difference. Computing: Performing the instructions they are given. Thinking: Can be introspective, self correcting. May include novel ideas. > Our whole modern world is built on outsourcing thinking to machines at every level. I don't think they can think. You can't get a picture of a left hand writing or a clock showing something else then 10:10 from AI.…

> You can't get a picture of a left hand writing or a clock showing something else then 10:10 from AI.

You as a human have a list of cognitive biases so long you'd get bored reading it.

I'd call current ML "stupid" for different reasons*, but not this kind of thing: We spot AI's failures easy enough, but only because their failures are different than our own failures.

Well, sometimes different. Loooooots of humans parrot lines from whatever culture surrounds them, don't seem to notice they're doing it.

And even then, you're limiting yourself to one subset of what it means to think; and AI demonstrably do produce novel results outside training set; and while I'm aware it may be a superficial similarity, what so-called "reasoning models" produce in their so-called "chain-of-thought transcripts" seems a lot like my own introspection, so you aren't going to convince anyone just by listing "introspection" as if that's an actual answer.

* training example inefficiency

Re: Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

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Strapping explosives to hobby level drones has been standard operating procedure for some time now. You can also find videos of regular handguns strapped to drones being fired. Certification cannot help with this issue.

The idea is older than what we call drones, or robots. Original GTA had an RC model car you could drive under your target and detonate remotely - that was in 1997, and they didn't invent this trope. US Navy trained dolphins to deploy ordnance in the 1960s; before that, together with the Air Force they played with strapping incendiaries to bats, packing them into a bomb casing and dropping from the air, with hopes of…

older than that!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goliath_tracked_mine

Re: Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

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The US military has been using robots to murder people for over a decade now, the horse hasn't just bolted, it's won the Kentucky derby before you shut the stable door.

are talking about unmanned drones?

I imagine they're talking more about missiles, which have had "autonomous" (for some definitions of autonomous) guidance systems for decades.

"Drones" aren't really a new thing apart from how cheap they are. We've had television guided missiles (the level of autonomy most modern "drones" in Ukraine have) since WWII. Arguably we've had non-TV guided missile prototypes since WWI (Kettering Aerial Torpedo). We've had autonomously guided missiles (radar homing) since the early 50s, and optically guided ones since the early 70s.

The capability keeps expanding of course, but it's been pretty incremental.

Re: Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

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Soon we will have to carry an EMP everywhere.

Won't work. EMP-proofing is now standard for drones from both sides in the Russia-Ukraine war. As is operating while jammed.

How do they EMP proof, shielding the cables? Would something like that work when not touching ground? I’m asking seriously, I don’t know enough physics
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