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Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

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Re: Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

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post #29

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Why are all the videos of the robots doing combat stuff? I don't need combat stuff. All I need the robot to do is fold the laundry and mop every now and then. Less combat, please!

yes, laundry, folding and ironing clothes, taking out the garbage, so that us humans can then have more free time to contemplate the mysteries of the universe/work harder. not - take our jobs so we have to keep "reskilling" every 10 years... oh wait, according to accenture, we'd be un-reskillable after 10 years, so never mind.

The irony is that, at this point, the machines are getting better than us at "contemplating the mysteries of the universe", while manual labor remains our distinct competitive advantage over them.

I.e. literally the opposite of what we wanted to happen.

Re: Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

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Why are all the videos of the robots doing combat stuff? I don't need combat stuff. All I need the robot to do is fold the laundry and mop every now and then. Less combat, please!

One leads to the other. Especially with robots animated by SOTA AI models, which already show clearly what the natural order of things is: computers are naturally better at thinking, humans are naturally better as general-purpose manual laborers, especially for work that's almost but not quite repetitive and requires mixing power and precision movements on the fly. Folding laundry is one of such things humans are nat…

The "natural order" is that robots are primitive, fragile, energy- and materials-inefficient contraptions balancing on the knife-edge of entropy deferred for a moment but due as soon as the power goes out or repairs prove too costly.

People are better at all but the most repetitive, precise kinds of manual labor because biological bodies might as well be god-tier alien technology compared to human-engineered robots.

Computers are naturally better at computing. Or, if you want to stand by your statement, I look forward to hearing how you've delegated thought to the machines, and how that's going.

> how the AI-animated robots will feel once they're capable of processing those ideas

"Will" and "once" might collapse under the load of baseless speculation here. A sad day for the English language as I found those words useful/meaningful.

Re: Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

#43
post #31

> We published the cryptographic keys in July Everyone should take a look at the SERP screenshot https://x.com/d0tslash/status/1969412224763498769 > The vulnerability combines multiple security issues: hardcoded cryptographic keys, trivial authentication bypass, and unsanitized command injection. What makes this particularly concerning is that it's completely wormable - infected robots can automatically compromise ot…

Robots walking around doing the EMF equivalent of coughing without covering your mouth.

Re: Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

#44
post #37

Umm, robots need to be certified and regulated to hard coded robotic laws or something. Before criminals give them guns, or strap explosives to them, or remote takeover and untracibly murder people in their homes then burn the house down.

Strapping explosives to hobby level drones has been standard operating procedure for some time now. You can also find videos of regular handguns strapped to drones being fired. Certification cannot help with this issue.

The idea is older than what we call drones, or robots.

Original GTA had an RC model car you could drive under your target and detonate remotely - that was in 1997, and they didn't invent this trope. US Navy trained dolphins to deploy ordnance in the 1960s; before that, together with the Air Force they played with strapping incendiaries to bats, packing them into a bomb casing and dropping from the air, with hopes of creating what we'd today call a "Slaughterbots" scenario except EVERYTHING IS ON FIRE.

And I doubt these were very original ideas, either - I bet you could trace them back to other such R&D across history, all the way to Ancient China, which figured out gunpowder much earlier than Europe, and like with any general enough scientific discovery, had a field day trying to apply it to everything they could think of. They didn't stop at fireworks, they built land mines and unguided missiles too, even multistage rocket and IIRC (read that in some book long ago, can't find independent source now) rockets that could drop payload and fly back home to be recovered. (And yes, apparently someone was crazy enough to try for manned rocket flight, too.)

Anyway, I digress.

I guess, the larger point I'm making is this: in terms of their relationship with individuals and societies, robots are nothing new. Robots and automation are answers to needs that even first human societies had, and they have not changed. History is full of attempts at fulfilling those needs, many quite successful: domesticating and training animals, forced labor for prisoners, slavery. All these impacted socities, informed laws and fueled imaginations of poets and writers.

Which is to say, humanity has been dealing with robots and AIs for a long time now, we have way more accumulated experience with them at social and economic level than people realize - people just called them by a host of different names. "Slaves" and "servants", "genies" and "demons" and "fairies", etc.

Re: Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One leads to the other. Especially with robots animated by SOTA AI models, which already show clearly what the natural order of things is: computers are naturally better at thinking, humans are naturally better as general-purpose manual laborers, especially for work that's almost but not quite repetitive and requires mixing power and precision movements on the fly. Folding laundry is one of such things humans are nat…

The "natural order" is that robots are primitive, fragile, energy- and materials-inefficient contraptions balancing on the knife-edge of entropy deferred for a moment but due as soon as the power goes out or repairs prove too costly. People are better at all but the most repetitive, precise kinds of manual labor because biological bodies might as well be god-tier alien technology compared to human-engineered robots.…

> Computers are naturally better at computing.

Explain the difference.

> I look forward to hearing how you've delegated thought to the machines, and how that's going.

We all do. That's what you do whenever you fire up a maps app on your phone to plan or navigate, or when you use car navigation. That's what you do when you let the computer sort a list, or notify you about something. That's literally what using Computer-Aided anything software is, because you task the machine with thinking of and enforcing constraints so you don't have to. That's what you do when you run computer simulations for anything. That's what you do each time you have a computer solve an optimization problem, whether to feed your cat or to feed your city.

Our whole modern world is built on outsourcing thinking to machines at every level.

And on top of that, in the last few years computers (yes, I'm talking about the hated "AI") got better at us at various general-purpose, ill-specified activities, such as talking, writing, understanding what people wrote, poetry, visual arts, and so on.

Because as it turns out, it's much easier for us to build machines that are better than our own brains at computing for any purpose, than it is to build physical bodies that are better than ours. That's both fundamental and actual, practical reality today - and all I'm saying is that this has pretty ironic implications that people still haven't grasped yet.

Re: Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

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Given the security and privacy history of smart devices, you’d have to be a complete moron to let a human sized robot into your home.

People listen to chatgpt "advices" for their lives. Lets not talk about morons, clearly yours (or mine to that matter) estimation is way off real numbers.

Yeah and people (and bystanders) have experienced some terrible outcomes already from diving deep with AI therapists.

It's going to be the wild west for a while now with AI and robotics before laws catch up. Maybe there'll soon be a market for pocket EMP devices out there...

Re: Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "natural order" is that robots are primitive, fragile, energy- and materials-inefficient contraptions balancing on the knife-edge of entropy deferred for a moment but due as soon as the power goes out or repairs prove too costly. People are better at all but the most repetitive, precise kinds of manual labor because biological bodies might as well be god-tier alien technology compared to human-engineered robots.…

> Computers are naturally better at computing. Explain the difference. > I look forward to hearing how you've delegated thought to the machines, and how that's going. We all do. That's what you do whenever you fire up a maps app on your phone to plan or navigate, or when you use car navigation. That's what you do when you let the computer sort a list, or notify you about something. That's literally what using Compute…

>> Computers are naturally better at computing.

> Explain the difference.

Computing: Performing the instructions they are given.

Thinking: Can be introspective, self correcting. May include novel ideas.

> Our whole modern world is built on outsourcing thinking to machines at every level.

I don't think they can think. You can't get a picture of a left hand writing or a clock showing something else then 10:10 from AI. They regurtitate what they are fed and hallucinate instead of admitting lack of ability. This applies to LLMs too as we all know.

Re: Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

#48
post #36

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What does the screenshot mean, though? From what I can tell (I speak Chinese), it's just an IV used in some AES implementation tutorials. Using a hardcoded key/IV is obviously bad, but I don’t see what this screenshot shows beyond that.

Someone just copy-pasted an implementation from a random Chinese blog, completely unaware of what the key means.

> copy-pasted an implementation from a random Chinese blog

But.. the blog was chosen by a series of dice rolls, guaranteed to be random!

Re: Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

#50
post #48
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone just copy-pasted an implementation from a random Chinese blog, completely unaware of what the key means.

> copy-pasted an implementation from a random Chinese blog But.. the blog was chosen by a series of dice rolls, guaranteed to be random!

All 4s for some reason. [1]

[1] https://xkcd.com/221/

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