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Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

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Re: Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

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Post by lupusreal »

cedarseagull wrote: post #16
anigbrowl wrote: post #14

I love* that this comes out around the same time that engineers are making fun videos of themselves beating up robots half their size and literally training the robots to develop the same sort of fight-or-flight instincts that were forcibly instilled into the engineers * I do not in fact love it

Why are all the videos of the robots doing combat stuff? I don't need combat stuff. All I need the robot to do is fold the laundry and mop every now and then. Less combat, please!

They want those juicy "search and rescue" grants from DARPA.

Re: Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

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Post by gessha »

moooo99 wrote: post #22
vasco wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much of a moron do you have to be to buy direct-to-bezos listening devices that are always on and submit your conversations to the cloud? Only because you don't want to print a recipe? There's a lot of morons.

I mean, at least the direct to bezos bugs were damn cheap for what they were (smart devices) and in absolute numbers (I remember them literally being gifted to you when ordering specific stuff or signing up for prime for the first time). These humanoid robots are cheap for what they are (admittedly very capable and high end robots), but their absolute pricetag remains far from being cheap.

Wait until the moment (far future) when they are mandatory for insurance reasons. (Plot point to the Murderbot series by Martha Wells)

Re: Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

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Post by rubzah »

aetherspawn wrote: post #7

Umm, robots need to be certified and regulated to hard coded robotic laws or something. Before criminals give them guns, or strap explosives to them, or remote takeover and untracibly murder people in their homes then burn the house down.

The Turing Police.

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Post by ForHackernews »

doesnt_know wrote: post #5

Given the security and privacy history of smart devices, you’d have to be a complete moron to let a human sized robot into your home.

Maybe by law domestic robots should be physically much weaker than humans. I want a butler bot that can tidy up and make me tea, but I should be easily able to defeat that bot in fight if it comes down to it.

Re: Exploit allows for takeover of fleets of Unitree robots

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Post by jodrellblank »

squigz wrote: post #13
aetherspawn wrote: post #11

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(I’m an engineer, but making assumptions) I think physics kind of blocks that from working, a DJI drone doesn’t have the weight and inertia to do serious damage, and they are hella noisy. Can’t open doors. Don’t have servos to do a proper swing or stab. Maybe theoretically possible… but I’m more scared of robots personally. By the same logic, autonomous cars are an even better murder weapon than robots because they a…

And yet people aren't scared of cars. Maybe we need a cautionary tale scifi movie starring Will Smith being chased by evil cars, a la Futurama's The Honking

IIRC in “I, Robot” Will Smith had his Audi taken over by the robot uprising, a film which was a cautionary tail scifi movie.

> “people aren't scared of cars”

Under “normalisation of deviance”, NotJustBikes YouTube talked about how he sees almost no Netherlands news pieces about cars crashing into buildings, because cars basically never crash into buildings in the Netherlands. When they do, the Dutch treat it as a road design issue and update the road and regulations to stop it in future. Whereas in Canada he had four cars crash into the buildings around his child’s school in a short time, and there are almost no mainstream news stories about cars crashing into buildings in Canada because it’s so common it’s fallen below newsworthiness into just local newspaper small comment. USA/Canada blame the driver and fix nothing, so it keeps happening, so people are used to it.

Although cyclists are scared of cars. And drivers are which is why there’s the SUV arms race to be in the bigger car to be more protected against other cars.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

scns wrote: post #47
TeMPOraL wrote: post #45

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> Computers are naturally better at computing. Explain the difference. > I look forward to hearing how you've delegated thought to the machines, and how that's going. We all do. That's what you do whenever you fire up a maps app on your phone to plan or navigate, or when you use car navigation. That's what you do when you let the computer sort a list, or notify you about something. That's literally what using Compute…

>> Computers are naturally better at computing. > Explain the difference. Computing: Performing the instructions they are given. Thinking: Can be introspective, self correcting. May include novel ideas. > Our whole modern world is built on outsourcing thinking to machines at every level. I don't think they can think. You can't get a picture of a left hand writing or a clock showing something else then 10:10 from AI.…

> Computing: Performing the instructions they are given.

> Thinking: Can be introspective, self correcting. May include novel ideas.

LLMs can perform arbitrary instructions given in natural language, which includes instructions to be introspective and self correcting and generate novel ideas. Is it computing or is it thinking? We can judge the degree to which they can do these things, but it's unclear there's a fundamental difference in kind.

(Also obviously thinking is computation - the only alternative would be believing thinking is divine magic that science can't even talk about.)

I'm less interested in topic of whether LLMs are thinking or parrotting, and more in the observation that offloading cognition on external systems, be their digital, analog, or social, is just something humans naturally do all the time.

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Post by voidUpdate »

hvb2 wrote: post #39
voidUpdate wrote: post #27

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Waymo :P

Just look at total number of Tesla's on the road and you have your answer as to why that would be a lot less bad

sure, but its another brand where people regularly let the cars drive themself
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