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Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by blitzar »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #230
sugarpimpdorsey wrote: post #139

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That's a funny way to say "they fired staff that vandalized company property, broke into the CEO's office, and used an internal company website to publish and promote anti-company propaganda". That will get you fired from bussing tables or washing dishes, let alone a six-figure job at MS. Edit: Source on the last one; the first two were widely reported on in media: https://lunduke.substack.com/p/fired-microsoft-emplo…

Some people seem to think rioting and vandalism are acceptable behaviors. It's important that people engaging in such activity are dealt with swiftly and justly. Such behavior further encourages violence and destruction as acceptable behaviors in society, which they are not.

Pardons all round then

Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by Joeboy »

some-guy wrote: post #42
rhetocj23 wrote: post #33

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Sentiment toward Israel outside of USA has changed. The leaders of the developed nations of Europe have gone against Trump and publicly stated their recognition of Palestine.

It has changed quite a bit here in the US too, even among the Jewish population. Our synagogue is very divided on this, mainly between the young and the old.

“There you are, Mr. Netanyahu! Just who do you think you are, killing thousands and flattening neighborhoods, then wrapping yourself in Judaism like it’s some shield from criticism? You’re making life for Jews miserable, and life for American Jews impossible!” - Jewish character on the latest South Park, a show created and run by two Jewish people.

Also ”It’s not Jews vs. Palestine, it’s Israel vs. Palestine!”

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Post by nailer »

myth_drannon wrote: post #207
dotancohen wrote: post #167

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Saudi Arabia and Egypt, where else?

Arabs are from Arabia, Egypt was colonised just like Judea and the rest of the middle east and north africa was.

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Post by thrownawayohman »

skinkestek wrote: post #168
thrownawayohman wrote: post #141

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“Now imagine this scenario and ignore everything else that’s happened for the last 60-70 years and oh yeah, don’t mention the current genocide.”

Let's not ignore the last 60-70 or even 1400 years. Israelis hit back hard. But they haven't been the ones to declare war on peaceful neighbors. It wasn't them who stood for thr München massacre or a number of plane hijackings in the 70ies. It wasn't Israelis who blew up buses in Gaza. Was it? We must stop confusing powerful with evil and currently helpless with "innocent".

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Post by nailer »

lupusreal wrote: post #111
sharpshadow wrote: post #70

It would be only just if the Palestinians would get their own state after this.

Right of return for all Palestinians and their descendants, worldwide.

Also for the 850K middle eastern Jews that were kicked out of their countries by arabs?

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Post by jimbo808 »

politelemon wrote: post #93

I am seeing several kneejerk "Microsoft bad" reactions here, which HNers don't do for many other companies. I encourage many of you to read what is written. They listened to their internal staff and stakeholders and public pressure, and did terminated the contract instead of ignoring it or doubling down. That is a good thing.

I mean, they have thoroughly soiled their reputation with the US tech workforce by being the most egregious abusers of the H1B program.

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Post by mossTechnician »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #230
sugarpimpdorsey wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a funny way to say "they fired staff that vandalized company property, broke into the CEO's office, and used an internal company website to publish and promote anti-company propaganda". That will get you fired from bussing tables or washing dishes, let alone a six-figure job at MS. Edit: Source on the last one; the first two were widely reported on in media: https://lunduke.substack.com/p/fired-microsoft-emplo…

Some people seem to think rioting and vandalism are acceptable behaviors. It's important that people engaging in such activity are dealt with swiftly and justly. Such behavior further encourages violence and destruction as acceptable behaviors in society, which they are not.

The United States has a history of rioting, vandalism, and violence. The Boston Tea Party comes to mind. The more important question is the contexts in which it is unacceptable, and who should be given the authority to swiftly deal with it - an authority that will itself require the ability to commit violence.

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Post by grumple »

vFunct wrote: post #198
skinkestek wrote: post #149

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> This war that European Jews started in 1948 when they decided to attack and invade Palestine spans 2 continents, and more if you include the various attacks elsewhere.

This is extremely ignorant. Jews have lived in Israel continuously for 3000 years. The modern Zionist migration, which started in the late 19th century (far from the first such movement for the Jews, and far from the last we've seen globally for all peoples), was met with violence by the Arabs with pogroms and organized violence starting in the 1920s. It was the Arab nations who attacked the Jews in 1948, not the other way around, and both Jews and Arabs were displaced in the war. Prior to then, there was no land "stolen" by Jews, just land legally purchased from Arab landowners. We'll ignore the fact that the Muslim caliphates and Ottomans stole the land in the first place and focus on the modern conflict. We can also ignore the repeated mass-murders / pogroms of Jews throughout Israel and the rest of the Arab/Muslim world in the 19th, 18th, 17th, 16th, and prior centuries, since acknowledging that Jews were repeatedly killed in Safed and elsewhere would require you to acknowledge they existed there and were oppressed by the people and dhimmi laws of the Muslim empires.

The Arabs were and are the equivalent of the xenophobic Trump supporters in the US - they didn't want Jews coming in, buying land, working and thriving, etc. Do you also support violence against non-white migrants in the west?

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