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Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by ajross »

erulabs wrote: post #125
ajross wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - What Kimmel said was wrong (assuming you believe Utah state investigators) and deeply irresponsible and inflammatory. Was it really though? Paraphrased, Kimmel said that the killer was a republican. He had a republican background, but it didn't motivate the killing which didn't seem to have any particular ideology beyond (maybe) trans identity politics and/or edgelord memery. So yeah, that was wrong. But if that'…

> Was it really though? Paraphrased, Kimmel said that the killer was a republican. He had a republican background, but it didn't motivate the killing which didn't seem to have any particular ideology beyond (maybe) trans identity politics. So yeah, that was wrong. Look I don't even pretend to know the truth. But the sitting governor of Utah, the highest authority on the investigation (which is being done by Utah stat…

> By "not nearly as bad as you think", what I mean is, the FCC has always policed content on broadcast television

For boring stuff like sex and profanity! When was the last time a show was pulled under threat of FCC action because of political speech? Has it ever happened before? And it's happening again, just days after it worked the first time.

Your cynicism, whether it's deliberate or not, is serving you very badly here.

> And, if you notice that it's not even clear the FCC took any action

Good grief. Brendan Carr literally made the threat on camera, in public. That's the way extortion works. You don't have to take the action because the target submits.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by HankStallone »

xyzelement wrote: post #88
pm90 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Barr wasn’t cancelled by threats from the Government.

That's a nuance without consequence. Barr is a random example that came to mind. The larger point is that it's been very difficult for a while to be a conservative in media, or academia or in the workplace, due to the ease with which you were canceled. The reason people stick with principles because it helps them and the other side - it's a high ground maneuver. But once you feel like you are consistently deprived of…

There's also a false equivalence, because when the government is on the same team as all the big tech and media companies, it doesn't have to threaten anyone into silencing speech the team doesn't like. It just happens, and then everyone pretends it's organic.

I'd be glad to have a free speech conversation about this with anyone who actually cares about free speech, but that doesn't include anyone who spent the last decade cheering every time someone they disagreed with got his livelihood taken away. One TV network dumping one "comedian" who was well past his sell-by date is a tiny, tiny counter-trend to what's been going on for years.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by kelnos »

erulabs wrote: post #109

A lot of things can be true at the same time: - The FCC shouldn't be involved in content moderation, and the FCC Chair is obviously on an authoritarian power trip. - What Kimmel said was wrong (assuming you believe Utah state investigators) and deeply irresponsible and inflammatory. - Clearly the market was already deciding that Kimmel's show is irrelevant (Nielsen ratings quite clear on that). - The FCC is only invo…

> What Kimmel said was wrong (assuming you believe Utah state investigators) and deeply irresponsible and inflammatory.

What Kimmel said[0] was fairly innocuous and not all that big a deal. What he said was actually true, in general, about conservative discourse, regardless of what the shooter's politics are.

Carr directly threatened ABC's broadcast license over protected speech, even in the context of the FCC's mandate and the rules around broadcast licensing.

Kimmel's ratings are irrelevant. Murdering someone with terminal cancer is still murder.

[0] There still seems to be a bunch of confusion and misinformation about what Kimmel said, so: "We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang trying to characterize this kid who killed Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it." If you truly believe that's the kind of thing the FCC should be threatening a network's broadcast license over, I'm not sure it's possible to have a productive discussion with you about this.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by yndoendo »

reaperducer wrote: post #80

Republicans are demanding "equal time." Cool. I look forward to hearing Whoopi Goldberg on AM talk radio.

Repeal of the Fairness Doctrine created echo chambers. [0] Equal air time to different point of views of a topic turned into 100% or 99% network pushed point of view. This removed a standard person from having quality engagement to content designed an manipulated for personal gain by the networks. It was a good bridge to living together versus living divided.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_doctrine

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by rebolek »

lupusreal wrote: post #106
martythemaniak wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's really pathetic about the current situation is that McCarthyism was at least rooted in the fear that Soviets would bomb and kill people, which given Russia's conduct in Ukraine and other places was well-founded. The current authoritarian backsliding is because... woke? Truly the dumbest of timelines.

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I don’t think it works that way for most people, maybe for some radicals but there are radicals on every side. Yesterday I overheard a conversation where a man was talking about a trip to our capital (in EU country) and how there were "strangepeople" (I wrote it together as it’s an insult as one word here and he meant it that way), wearing pink and rainbow and he was frightened and how’s he glad he returned to our small city in the middle of nowhere.

Did I thought he was a fascist and did I want to kill him? No, he seemed like a decent man who’s just afraid of things he’s not familiar with and who believe in stuff pushed by crazy radicals because he has no experience with people and situations unknown to him.

Did I want to punch him? No, I wanted to discuss with him, but I haven’t got time, as I needed to pick up my kid from the same art school he was bringing his kid in.

So tell me, why is he concerned about people who he saw on metro and who were not threatening him? Should he be afraid of me, because I probably could be described as woke as I think that you should let others be, if they don’t hurt you or others? I don’t care about online media, this is real life example.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by [deleted] »

xyzelement wrote: post #88
pm90 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Barr wasn’t cancelled by threats from the Government.

That's a nuance without consequence. Barr is a random example that came to mind. The larger point is that it's been very difficult for a while to be a conservative in media, or academia or in the workplace, due to the ease with which you were canceled. The reason people stick with principles because it helps them and the other side - it's a high ground maneuver. But once you feel like you are consistently deprived of…

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Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by erulabs »

ajross wrote: post #131
erulabs wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Was it really though? Paraphrased, Kimmel said that the killer was a republican. He had a republican background, but it didn't motivate the killing which didn't seem to have any particular ideology beyond (maybe) trans identity politics. So yeah, that was wrong. Look I don't even pretend to know the truth. But the sitting governor of Utah, the highest authority on the investigation (which is being done by Utah stat…

> By "not nearly as bad as you think", what I mean is, the FCC has always policed content on broadcast television For boring stuff like sex and profanity! When was the last time a show was pulled under threat of FCC action because of political speech? Has it ever happened before? And it's happening again, just days after it worked the first time. Your cynicism, whether it's deliberate or not, is serving you very badl…

Extortion doesn't count for much if the FCC had no leg to stand on. I would have loved to have seen the fine and the resulting court-case, but unfortunately for everyone ABC pulled the program because of complaints from its broadcasters. We do not (as far as I know), have the ability to know to what extent the FCC Chair's comments mattered at all.

I absolutely agree the FCC is overstepping and that the FCC Chair is doing a bad thing by making such comments, but until the FCC as an organization actually issues a fine or pulls a license, nothing has actually happened. If what I'm saying puts me into some particular camp that you're opposed to, well, the scissor statement worked. And that makes me much more upset than any of this drama.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by g42gregory »

hobs wrote: post #126
g42gregory wrote: post #74

People are discovering that cancel culture goes both ways. Neither one is good. But let's not pretend that cancel culture has not been going for many years now. Remember Fox News cancelling, their most popular at the time, Tucker Carlson Show?

I do remember that, and it turns out there's so many reasons to have fired TC that people had pages of listicles on why he could have been fired https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... and none of them were cancel culture it turns out. Fox already lied and paid out hundreds of millions on dominion, it couldn't handle paying for any more lies.

Yeah, I am sure soon we be given good reasons why "they couldn't handle" JK either. Just scroll down the comments. See, ABC affiliates wanted him gone... :-)

TC has now an audience larger than the entire Fox News. Maybe JK will do the same.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by ajross »

erulabs wrote: post #137
ajross wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> By "not nearly as bad as you think", what I mean is, the FCC has always policed content on broadcast television For boring stuff like sex and profanity! When was the last time a show was pulled under threat of FCC action because of political speech? Has it ever happened before? And it's happening again, just days after it worked the first time. Your cynicism, whether it's deliberate or not, is serving you very badl…

Extortion doesn't count for much if the FCC had no leg to stand on. I would have loved to have seen the fine and the resulting court-case, but unfortunately for everyone ABC pulled the program because of complaints from its broadcasters. We do not (as far as I know), have the ability to know to what extent the FCC Chair's comments mattered at all. I absolutely agree the FCC is overstepping and that the FCC Chair is d…

> Extortion doesn't count for much if the FCC had no leg to stand on.

What on earth are you saying here? It worked. Obviously it "counts", it actually happened! The show was pulled from the air! You're saying that censorship isn't "technically censorship" if in some alternative universe Disney fought back and won? They didn't!

As for your opinion about the reach of the FCC's powers or the risk to broadcasters of regulatory action, clearly Bob Iger's lawyers disagree with you, and I'm going to bet they're rather better at their jobs than median HN commenters.

Edit: I'm going to call it here. The final reply below seems like 100% apoloigsm to me. The argument seems to be that somehow this is all a mistake, that Disney just got the wrong idea and torpedoed their own show by no fault of the government. And we all know that's not what happened. I don't know how to reply, so I won't.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by zzzeek »

zidad wrote: post #30
zzzeek wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it would help if the billionaire / centimillionaire classes decided they didn't like what was going on.

who do you think is orchestrating this?

the voters? who get their information from....media conglomerates, which are controlled by....you guessed it
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