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After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by martythemaniak »

labrador wrote: post #47
gtirloni wrote: post #14

I'm not a US citizen so take what I write below with a grain of salt. I always thought the US to be a stronghold of democracy and free speech. I know, it's a naive view and we know how huge companies and corrupt politicians can subvert the system. But still, I thought it had a decent law system that, although imperfect like any other system, kept things from going back to the dark ages. I don't believe that anymore a…

It's been worse before in America and we've returned to normal, so I have hope as an American. See McCarthyism in the 1950's, when people like Kimmel were blackballed from working: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

What's really pathetic about the current situation is that McCarthyism was at least rooted in the fear that Soviets would bomb and kill people, which given Russia's conduct in Ukraine and other places was well-founded. The current authoritarian backsliding is because... woke? Truly the dumbest of timelines.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by krapp »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #39
gtirloni wrote: post #14

I'm not a US citizen so take what I write below with a grain of salt. I always thought the US to be a stronghold of democracy and free speech. I know, it's a naive view and we know how huge companies and corrupt politicians can subvert the system. But still, I thought it had a decent law system that, although imperfect like any other system, kept things from going back to the dark ages. I don't believe that anymore a…

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>Therefore people argue that we have to shame (not imprison or kill) celebrations on attacks on free speech to protect free speech.

So what you're saying is "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences?"

Odd. I suspect the same people arguing that now would have been outraged at the very thought before Charlie Kirk's death. Because they celebrate the death of people also practicing free speech all the time while insisting that freedom of speech exists to defend the speech you disagree with, not the speech you agree with.

It's just weird how fast their principles turn on a dime when it's one of theirs.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by IncreasePosts »

pm90 wrote: post #43
xyzelement wrote: post #41

I love my liberal principles but this is totally expected. Ideally we live in a world where Kimmel isn't canceled but neither is someone like Roseanne Barr. But that world hasn't existed for a while. In a prisoners dilemma both sides win by cooperation. Once a side "defects" - the other side is a sucker not to. The ship on lamenting this stuff has sailed.

Barr wasn’t cancelled by threats from the Government.

Neither was Kimmel - the real threats came from the ABC affiliates who threatened to not air his content.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by mrbombastic »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #44
dralley wrote: post #12

While I don't much care for either Kimmel nor The View - this is ridiculously corrupt, authoritarian, thuggish, illegal and arrogant behavior and cannot be allowed to stand. And shame on Disney for caving. Cowards who kneel down to kiss the ring in the face of blatantly illegal threats are not worthy of a position of public trust. And over a merger no less. I can't think of a better moral justification to prevent a c…

An issue was that the right was being canceled for views not even 5 years ago and the same people complaining about Kimmel are having their exact quotes replayed justifying those types of cancellations. From a game theoretic standpoint, tit for tat is exactly what’s supposed to happen to stabilize the situation. This has actually been proven by mathematicians that apply decision making theories to social structures.

See if you can spot the difference. And i am not defending past cancellations, but there is a not so subtle difference in kind here that makes these kind of both sides arguments fall flat.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by sylens »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #44
dralley wrote: post #12

While I don't much care for either Kimmel nor The View - this is ridiculously corrupt, authoritarian, thuggish, illegal and arrogant behavior and cannot be allowed to stand. And shame on Disney for caving. Cowards who kneel down to kiss the ring in the face of blatantly illegal threats are not worthy of a position of public trust. And over a merger no less. I can't think of a better moral justification to prevent a c…

An issue was that the right was being canceled for views not even 5 years ago and the same people complaining about Kimmel are having their exact quotes replayed justifying those types of cancellations. From a game theoretic standpoint, tit for tat is exactly what’s supposed to happen to stabilize the situation. This has actually been proven by mathematicians that apply decision making theories to social structures.

You're conflating cancel culture, done voluntarily by private companies, with censorship, with the federal government through the FCC is dictating the outcomes of mergers and acquisitions based on compliance with speech restrictions.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by danielvaughn »

browningstreet wrote: post #48
danielvaughn wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're still a stronghold of democracy and free speech. That doesn't mean threats don't occasionally present themselves. In fact, it should be welcomed, as it gives each new generation the opportunity to re-affirm their commitment to free speech. Free speech has been under threat at the academic and cultural level for a while now, especially in the 2010's. All of that was a good thing in my opinion, because a generati…

This feels like a principled, fantasy response. We're not at the "shaking fists on podiums" stage of this issue.

I don't know how to interpret "shaking fists on podiums", but it reads as "we're not at the stage where we talk these things out". The only other option is violence, so if you're saying that then say it directly.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by etchalon »

danielvaughn wrote: post #40
gtirloni wrote: post #14

I'm not a US citizen so take what I write below with a grain of salt. I always thought the US to be a stronghold of democracy and free speech. I know, it's a naive view and we know how huge companies and corrupt politicians can subvert the system. But still, I thought it had a decent law system that, although imperfect like any other system, kept things from going back to the dark ages. I don't believe that anymore a…

We're still a stronghold of democracy and free speech. That doesn't mean threats don't occasionally present themselves. In fact, it should be welcomed, as it gives each new generation the opportunity to re-affirm their commitment to free speech. Free speech has been under threat at the academic and cultural level for a while now, especially in the 2010's. All of that was a good thing in my opinion, because a generati…

The only "free speech" that matters is whether the government is punishing you for it.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by kanbara »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #39
gtirloni wrote: post #14

I'm not a US citizen so take what I write below with a grain of salt. I always thought the US to be a stronghold of democracy and free speech. I know, it's a naive view and we know how huge companies and corrupt politicians can subvert the system. But still, I thought it had a decent law system that, although imperfect like any other system, kept things from going back to the dark ages. I don't believe that anymore a…

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the man’s speech was against human rights for black people, women, lgbtq+. people are allowed to have free speech against those beliefs too. they are not “average”.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by nielsbot »

The Kimmel case is a straightforward protection racket.

Nexstar, the owner of 39% of the local TV stations in the country, wants the FCC to change their rules to allow them to merge with [other conglomerate name I forget] to increase their local market ownership share to 80%.

(If you listen to what Kimmel said, he mainly mocked Trump.)

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