Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

wsj.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

551–560 of 802 posts

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

#551

Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

yibg wrote: post #539
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #529

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"Leader of the free world", "greatest country on earth" etc. I don't see Americans referring to their country that way anymore. I think you're arguing with an interlocutor who peaked in the Reagan era and has been on a downtrend ever since. Personally speaking, as an American, I don't want to lead the free world anymore. I don't want to be the "greatest country in the world" either. I'd rather the US just stick to s…

Leaving aside impact to the rest of the world, America being the "leader of the free world" has benefited it immensely. Majority of the global systems were built by Americans. Everything from military power projection to global reserve currency status to pop culture has not only given the US clout and power but also a lot of wealth. Sticking to solve their own problems is how the Chinese declined into being the "sick…

>America being the "leader of the free world" has benefited it immensely.

It doesn't make a difference. See this graph: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/GDP_per_...

GDP growth stayed on the same trend both before and after the US tried to "lead the free world" post-WW2.

>military power projection

That's a cost for us, not a benefit. I don't want my tax dollars to be "projecting power". I want them helping me and my fellow citizens.

>pop culture has not only given the US clout

The internet is awash in anti-American comments. Trying to "lead the free world" has destroyed our soft power.

>Sticking to solve their own problems is how the Chinese declined into being the "sick man of Asia" hundreds of years ago.

My preferred model is Switzerland, not Qing China. I'm not anti-modernization. I'm anti-imperialism. We shouldn't involve ourselves in wars or military alliances on other continents.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

#552

Post by gexla »

mullingitover wrote: post #494
gpt5 wrote: post #205

Key details: 1. New, US-specific TikTok App, separate from the main TikTok app in content and users. 2. 80% owned by a U.S. investor consortium led by Oracle, Silver Lake, and Andreessen Horowitz, 20% by Bytedance. 3. Board will include one U.S. government–appointed director. 4. All U.S. user data would sit on Oracle infrastructure in the US. 5. Algorithm will be initially licensed, but has to be reengineered to comp…

This seems like the microwaved corpse of the original 2020 deal. Bytedance keeps all the IP, sells Oracle the nearly worthless right to operate the US infra. They can't even call their franken-app Tiktok. The US user data already sits in the US but they'll expect everyone to forget about that so they can brag about this token win. They'll probably get what they really want, which is an admin console for the algorithm…

It will be interesting to see how this plays out though. People follow the money. Investors wouldn't be interested if they didn't see the value. If the new app can snag the network effects, then it will win. What is TikTok worth without the US audience?

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

#553

Post by 8note »

gpt5 wrote: post #205

Key details: 1. New, US-specific TikTok App, separate from the main TikTok app in content and users. 2. 80% owned by a U.S. investor consortium led by Oracle, Silver Lake, and Andreessen Horowitz, 20% by Bytedance. 3. Board will include one U.S. government–appointed director. 4. All U.S. user data would sit on Oracle infrastructure in the US. 5. Algorithm will be initially licensed, but has to be reengineered to comp…

id like to see a similiar setup done in canada for each of the US big tech companies.

owned by canadian oligarchs, with one CBC appointed director

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

#554

Post by seattle_spring »

octopoc wrote: post #433
hopelite wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

I've been wondering if enough people would be single issue voters on the Israel question that we could actually get some sort of candidate who attracts a ton of voters from both traditional parties. It's ironic because (IMO) people like Ben Shapiro and other pro-Israel people deliberately divide us to prevent us from uniting against them, but the genocide has actually united us[1]. Just the other day I saw a Twitter…

Cenk Ugyur agreeing with right wing talking points is not "reaching across the aisle." Not even a little bit.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

#555

Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #534
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #523

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read a lot of anti-American comments like this one, mostly on American websites like Hacker News and Youtube. I'd say the anti-American comments outnumber the pro-American ones something like 10 to 1. The US may not be preaching about freedom and rights. But it seems to be practicing it, at least in the narrow sense that anti-American content isn't being censored or suppressed.

Have you not been paying attention to what's been happening in the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination? The government been foaming at the mouth and clamping down on everyone who dares say anything other than obsequious praise about him. ABC just tonight cancelled Jimmy Kimmel at the behest of the head of the FCC! And I mean, it's not like this is new. The past two years have seen intense crackdowns on pro-Palestini…

I have no particular opinion about those issues. I'm just pointing out the irony of people complaining about "US propaganda" on discussion platforms where the content is overwhelmingly anti-US.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

#556

Post by 8note »

MiiMe19 wrote: post #468
dashundchen wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These fascist Republicans are not intending on giving up power. A bit China mixed with the sham democracies of Russia, Hungary or Turkey - this is the model they're going for. What do you think the push behind the new gerrymandered districts is for? Why do you think they are assembling a national voter registration database that hasn't existed before? https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/trump-doj-national-... Wh…

I thought conservatives were the conspiracy theorists. 1. Gerrymandering is and always has been a thing, blue and red. Nothing has changed. 2. Government puts government data from multiple government places into one government place. More news at 11. 3. Because you get stabbed/shot for just existing in them? Because of the riots earlier this year? Fascism = Something I don't like. Get a grip.

for 3 it cant be about riots, the president is a riot fan - he bukk pardoned the DC rioters, so its a thing he doesnt consider to be bad.

i dont think thats a good guess

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

#557

Post by 8note »

vehemenz wrote: post #404
fogzen wrote: post #352

The USA forcibly nationalized TikTok so they can install their own surveillance and censorship apparatus along with skimming from TikTok's profits. All while decrying China for... the same thing.

Republicans, not USA

USA is correct. Joe Biden signed the law, and Democrats didnt roll it back

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

#558

Post by amatecha »

OhioMan2943 wrote: post #510
amatecha wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Use Fediverse/ActivityPub, XMPP (maybe matrix), IRC. Use protocols, not "apps"/"platforms". Stop using corporate-owned centralized services. Well, unless you like being the subject of exploitation and manipulation of course.

Protocols are good- but respectfully at this point fediverse is basically a transgender support group.

What are you saying? Fediverse is bad because scary transgenders?

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

#559

Post by klipt »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #414
NicoJuicy wrote: post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The GOP is still more incompetent than anything I've ever seen. Bullying, yes. Competency, no.

So incompetent that they control all three branches of the most powerful government on earth. Much of that can be credited to their media ownership strategies. Underestimate them at your own peril...

The unfortunate thing about democracy is that competency at getting elected doesn't always translate to competency at governing.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

#560

Post by 8note »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #238
andsoitis wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> anti-gay Larry Ellison’s daughter is gay. Why do you think her brother and father are going to infuse Paramount with anti-gay bigotry?

> Larry Ellison’s daughter is gay. Why do you think her brother and father are going to infuse Paramount with anti-gay bigotry? Sorry, I'm speaking generally. The people in power broadly align with these policies. That means that when they gain control over a pillar of industry, they're broadly going to do influence it to some combination of those ends. The reason they gained power isn't to do those things. Ellison i…

> Ellison isn't taking control of TikTok to influence the Israel narrative.

he might be doing it for money, but if he wasnt going to influence the Israel narrative in a specific way, he wouldnt be allowed to own TikTok

Post reply on HN