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Post by groggler »

yibg wrote: post #294
jfengel wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Board will include one U.S. government–appointed director. Why? The nominal reason for all this is that we didn't want a Chinese company controlling an important social media outlet. I don't love that reasoning, but fine, whatever. So they're forcibly selling it to an American company. Which should solve the problem, right? Are we going to be putting government-appointed directors on all social media companies? Or ju…

Remember though, it's only bad when the other guy does it. We don't want Chinese government involvement in TikTok, but we do want US government involvement. /s

The "Be all you can be" slogan requires more than just a great firewall that China should pay for, it needs a constant vigil to protect it from German nihilists.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

yibg wrote: post #316
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #239

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> the fact that the investor is a zionist and Israel supporter is probably very relevant To that issue, sure. What's being missed is that any buyer Trump signed off on would need to align with his views.

I don't think it was missed. It was just so obvious that it didn't need to be called out explicitly.

It’s absolutely being missed. The cause isn’t the Israeli sympathy. That’s an effect of the party pushing to put American media under the thumb of the President. (Ironically, by a President who was helped to his position by TikTok.)

There is a lot of tail wagging the dog conspiracy in this thread. It dangerously reverses causation.

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Post by UncleOxidant »

ElijahLynn wrote: post #350

Is this a coup by conservative government to gain control of this social network to promote it's ideologies? first Twitter, now Tiktok, both controlled by conservative interests?

Seems like it. It seemed kind of inevitable. Biden made a mistake going down this road - of course, Trump started the ball rolling during his first term, but Biden should've just left it alone because it wasn't hard to see that this was the likely outcome.

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Post by fogzen »

ElijahLynn wrote: post #350

Is this a coup by conservative government to gain control of this social network to promote it's ideologies? first Twitter, now Tiktok, both controlled by conservative interests?

Yes. And to enrich their buddies and campaign donors like Marc Andreessen and Ben Horowitz.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Post by sporkxrocket »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #353
yibg wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it was missed. It was just so obvious that it didn't need to be called out explicitly.

It’s absolutely being missed. The cause isn’t the Israeli sympathy. That’s an effect of the party pushing to put American media under the thumb of the President. (Ironically, by a President who was helped to his position by TikTok.) There is a lot of tail wagging the dog conspiracy in this thread. It dangerously reverses causation.

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Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Post by cjbgkagh »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #333
cjbgkagh wrote: post #277

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https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/04/08/how-ameri... Republicans aged 19-49 have are split 50-50 on Israel with a strong and clear trend in the negative direction. That only leaves 50+ Republicans, sure a stretch of 'boomer' to include 50-61 in that but that only means it'll take a bit longer for the 50-61 cohort to hit net negative. This isn't a problem for Israel now but I believe it's existential for th…

Thank you for the source. > isn't a problem for Israel now but I believe it's existential for them in the future "A slight majority of Americans (53%) now express[ing] a somewhat or very unfavorable opinion of Israel" is new, but given "the share of U.S. adults who voice very unfavorable views of Israel" is only "19% in 2025" (up from "10% in 2022"), it's not fair to call the threat existential. If that latter rises…

It's a bit weird to say Israel could replace the US as a security partner without giving an example of who that would be. Russia? China? The EU? And what money are they to buy the materials with, their own? American? Who would continue to bribe their neighbors they're not at war with and restrain those they are at war with. What if Iran really does get nukes, what if a 3rd country gives them one.

Currently the Americans are trying to figure out how much sovereignty they really have and are discovering that it's indeed effectively none. What do you think that does to a population, especially during a sustained economic recession, where the fed is dropping interest rates, while stocks are at all time highs. It seems like the only thing Americans can agree on is that 'this cannot last', I don't know what'll replace it but there is a reasonably good chance it won't be good for Israel.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Post by hollerith »

fogzen wrote: post #352

The USA forcibly nationalized TikTok so they can install their own surveillance and censorship apparatus along with skimming from TikTok's profits. All while decrying China for... the same thing.

>The USA forcibly nationalized TikTok

Unlike most nationalizations though in this case the company will be compensated: the new US entity will pay ByteDance licensing fees.

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