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Post by andrekandre »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #145
volleyball wrote: post #41

So Larry Ellison just took over Paramount group which is now looking to bid for Warner Brothers and CNN. And now Ellison is going to take over TikTok. Paramount(being run by Larry Ellison's son) is looking to install the pro-israel-propagandist who has variously masqueraded as a liberal, a conservative and anti-woke free-speech champion, Bari Weiss[1] as CBS's editor-in-chief or co-president[2]. It also bears mention…

> hostile take-over of the American mind by a tech billionaire who just overtook Elon Musk to become the world's richest man Ellison read and responded to the political situation more skilfully than Elon. He used Stargate to cement himself as a power broker in AI. He used that influence to provide antitrust assurances that gave his son a leg up for Paramount. Meanwhile he used that proximity to media to get a foot in…

  > The root cause is the partisan politicisation of the economy.
well, tbf in the old days, it was literally called ‘political economy’ for a reason… maybe the name should make a comeback.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Post by estearum »

zappb wrote: post #427
ElijahLynn wrote: post #350

Is this a coup by conservative government to gain control of this social network to promote it's ideologies? first Twitter, now Tiktok, both controlled by conservative interests?

This law passed during the Biden administration, but its implementation has been delayed repeatedly by the Trump administration.

> but it has been broken repeatedly by the Trump administration

fixed that for you

The bill itself outlines specifically how and why it can be delayed. That was violated in the very first "delay".

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Post by octopoc »

hopelite wrote: post #361
throw310822 wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a guy at CBS as a "bias monitor" Kenneth Weinstein. "Mr. Weinstein has had a long career in right-leaning and neoconservative public policy circles. He is a firm and vocal champion of Israel." (NyTimes)

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I've been wondering if enough people would be single issue voters on the Israel question that we could actually get some sort of candidate who attracts a ton of voters from both traditional parties.

It's ironic because (IMO) people like Ben Shapiro and other pro-Israel people deliberately divide us to prevent us from uniting against them, but the genocide has actually united us[1]. Just the other day I saw a Twitter post from one Cenk Ugyur reaching across the aisle and saying "good job" to right wingers who objected to hate speech laws against people who celebrated Kirk's assassination.

Admittedly, if 68% of Americans are opposed to Israel that doesn't necessarily mean all of them are single issue voters... but I think this is the first issue I've seen in my lifetime that gets this close to uniting Americans.

[1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/692948/u.s.-back-israel-militar...

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Post by at-fates-hands »

jm4 wrote: post #418
pstuart wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's bonus. The real thing is to make tiktok a right-wing ideology machine. I'd rather have the CPC than the GOP at the helm.

I don’t want either of them, but credit where credit is due. China is doing well as a country and the standard of living has increased even if it’s under an authoritarian regime. I wonder how long that will last. Meanwhile, the USA is becoming Russia. Basically a bunch of misinformed morons living in the past and thinking we are on top of the world while we accelerate towards irrelevance on the global stage if not fo…

>> China is doing well as a country and the standard of living has increased even if it’s under an authoritarian regime.

What do you mean "doing well"?

https://asiatimes.com/2025/05/chinas-economy-on-cusp-of-a-de...

May 2025:

Tariffs are drying up international demand for Chinese goods, and in a bid to keep factories alive, Beijing is urging exporters to turn inward. However, that pivot is compounding the very problem it aims to solve.

Deflation isn’t an abstract threat in China anymore—it’s visible across the economy. After barely holding above zero for much of 2023 and 2024, consumer prices have now dropped for two straight months.

Producer prices have fallen for 29 consecutive months. March’s figures showed the sharpest drop in four months, and forecasts point to an even steeper decline in April.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Post by ribosometronome »

tw04 wrote: post #366
UncleOxidant wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like it. It seemed kind of inevitable. Biden made a mistake going down this road - of course, Trump started the ball rolling during his first term, but Biden should've just left it alone because it wasn't hard to see that this was the likely outcome.

Biden? You do realize Trump attempted to “ban” TikTok in his first term when the original Oracle “deal” happened, right? Pinning this in Biden takes some serious mental gymnastics. https://www.npr.org/2020/09/20/914032065/tiktok-ban-averted-...

Do you suspect Biden had a little plaque on his desk saying "The buck stops somewhere else"? He signed the bill. If he didn't want to own it, he doesn't have to put his name on it.

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Post by foota »

hvb2 wrote: post #224
gpt5 wrote: post #205

Key details: 1. New, US-specific TikTok App, separate from the main TikTok app in content and users. 2. 80% owned by a U.S. investor consortium led by Oracle, Silver Lake, and Andreessen Horowitz, 20% by Bytedance. 3. Board will include one U.S. government–appointed director. 4. All U.S. user data would sit on Oracle infrastructure in the US. 5. Algorithm will be initially licensed, but has to be reengineered to comp…

> All U.S. user data would sit on Oracle infrastructure in the US. Legally required to use the services of a specific company, that's a sweet deal right there.

I suspect the legal requirement is for it to be in the US, the Oracle part is probably just because they're the ones investing.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Post by buckle8017 »

estearum wrote: post #432
zappb wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This law passed during the Biden administration, but its implementation has been delayed repeatedly by the Trump administration.

> but it has been broken repeatedly by the Trump administration fixed that for you The bill itself outlines specifically how and why it can be delayed. That was violated in the very first "delay".

Turns out not having any penalty for the executive failing to apply the law is a mistake.

Who could have predicted this.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Post by ninkendo »

estearum wrote: post #432
zappb wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This law passed during the Biden administration, but its implementation has been delayed repeatedly by the Trump administration.

> but it has been broken repeatedly by the Trump administration fixed that for you The bill itself outlines specifically how and why it can be delayed. That was violated in the very first "delay".

I mean I’m as anti-Trump as the next, but didn’t the bill say it could be delayed to finalize a sale to American owners?

You could make the case that this sale means the Trump admin actually didn’t break the rules here.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Post by vFunct »

otterley wrote: post #416
vFunct wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They read these threads just fine. I don't recommend emailing since that loses context. Additionally, it makes other people aware of the problem.

Alright, then, why don't you cite the relevant "raging genocidal Zionist" posts and comments here?

It's right there in what you wrote. It's why you got downvoted.
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