Already some years ago, when I bought a ticket for Cirque de Soleil, in the fine print was already then, they could use and sell your face for AI training data.
Massive Attack turns concert into facial recognition surveillance experiment
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#112Feels like this title could benefit from clarification that 'Massive Attack' refers to the band and not the concept of a large scale attack; perhaps "Band 'Massive Attack' Turns Concert into Facial Recognition Surveillance Experiment"
That's what the capitalization of attack is doing.
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#113Feels like this title could benefit from clarification that 'Massive Attack' refers to the band and not the concept of a large scale attack; perhaps "Band 'Massive Attack' Turns Concert into Facial Recognition Surveillance Experiment"
Anyone who’s seen The Matrix has been exposed to Massive Attack in one of the most famous scenes from the movie: https://youtu.be/6IDT3MpSCKI In fact, I recall many songs from The Matrix being played nonstop back in my teenage gamer IRC days. Maybe even by others than just me
Or indeed the TV series House, albeit in the US.
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#114This lends even more weight to the theory that Massive Attack’s singer is, in fact, Banksy.
That theory is based on art springing up in locations where Massive Attack are playing. It's a bit odd because by that logic it could also be any of the dozens of people needed on tour.
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#115I tried to create an art piece sorta like this once. Video cameras in two separate places in the world, hooked up to a monitor. Made to look like a mirror, only you realize you're looking into a completely different place. So if you and someone else walk up to it, it's like you in another dimension. I was told I couldn't bring it to a regional burning man event because "it violates consent" (because they didn't conse…
That’s really unfortunate. Having been to a regional burn before, the fact that there was no storage or recording, to me, seems to really fit the ethos: this video feed is completely ephemeral; after a frame has been displayed it has been lost forever. I do, however, also appreciate how strict the community seems to be about recording without consent. Some people go to burns to be able to completely disconnect from t…
But the thing is, the burning man principles give you everything you need to deal with scenarios like this. The burn is not supposed to be a vacation, and definitely not a place to completely disconnect. It's supposed to challenge you. And you're supposed to rise to meet that challenge, with radical inclusion, self-reliance, participation, immediacy. If you're afraid of cameras, wear a giant clown mask. If you want to feel freedom, walk into deep playa and close your eyes and ears. The burn doesn't care what you came there to take; it gives you what you need. (but I'm starting to realize that regionals have a bit less freedom)
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Public photography is not a crime, nor should it be. However, that doesn't mean your likeness can be used for just any purpose.
> Public photography is not a crime, nor should it be. IDK about shouldn't. Public photography not being a crime comes from a time where one could still be generally expected to remain anonymous despite being photographed. Just like how you can be seen by strangers in the street while walking and still remain anonymous. Yet stalking is a crime, and facial recognition seems to be the digital equivalent. Facial recogni…
It shouldn't, you wouldn't be able to photograph candid moments in public of your own family/group of friends if anyone's else face showed up in the picture, that's not a world I want to live in.
It would also completely kill any form of street photography, even if you don't appreciate the art it would kill documenting times and places for posterity, for what benefit exactly?
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#117> The band deployed live facial recognition technology that captured and analyzed attendees during their recent performance. I think more drama has been created around this than is necessary. Based on the video, the real-time projected visitor's faces were not analyzed. They were simply shown with a random description flag attached, such as "energetic," "compassionate," "inspiring," "fitness influencer," or "cloud wa…
Drama? They were making a point. And it seems like it was taken. "If this outrages you, this isn't even the tip of the iceberg compared to what governments are doing."
Not only governments, all of surveillance capitalism is based on that, not only through your pictures being analysed but across all of your behaviour they can gather and trace back to you online.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
Anyone who’s seen The Matrix has been exposed to Massive Attack in one of the most famous scenes from the movie: https://youtu.be/6IDT3MpSCKI In fact, I recall many songs from The Matrix being played nonstop back in my teenage gamer IRC days. Maybe even by others than just me
Or indeed the TV series House, albeit in the US.
Some people in Europe have Televisions, too.
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or indeed the TV series House, albeit in the US.
Some people in Europe have Televisions, too.
The show 'House' has used three different opening tracks depending on territory and medium.
Massive Attack's Teardrop was used in the original US air (although as a Brit I've somehow heard all three on tv re-runs and Amazon Prime)
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
The fact that people were uncomfortable with simply having their pictures taken and shown without their knowledge gives lie to the idea that "You're in a public place—of course you have no right to privacy." It's great to be given the chance to face your principles.
Public photography is not a crime, nor should it be. However, that doesn't mean your likeness can be used for just any purpose.
The laws for this were written when "public photography" was someone with a film camera. It was maybe valid in the digital camera era.
But now I can point a camera at a crowd and It will:
- count the number of people and animals there
- give me an estimated gender for each
- analyse the sentiment of each person
- save their facial features so I can find "Male-sg76fg" in future photos automatically
- store the GPS location
With some extra work I can then find each of them on social media, grab their real names and other information from public sources and now I have a surveillance database. (Illegal where I live, but who's gonna check?)
This makes "public photography" a whole different thing from what it used to be.