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Re: Massive Attack turns concert into facial recognition surveillance experiment

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Post by acdha »

jolmg wrote: post #69
insickness wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Public photography is not a crime, nor should it be. However, that doesn't mean your likeness can be used for just any purpose.

> Public photography is not a crime, nor should it be. IDK about shouldn't. Public photography not being a crime comes from a time where one could still be generally expected to remain anonymous despite being photographed. Just like how you can be seen by strangers in the street while walking and still remain anonymous. Yet stalking is a crime, and facial recognition seems to be the digital equivalent. Facial recogni…

Yes. There’s also something about the sheer volume of recorded media & ease of distribution which feels like we crossed a qualitatively different threshold. The laws around photography were set in an era when it cost money to take a photograph, the cameras were easier to notice and slower, and when someone took a photo it was highly unlikely that they’d share it widely. Now it’s basically impossible to avoid cameras, people take far more pictures than they used to, and anyone’s photos can reach large audiences and often easily linked back to you. There was nothing like the way random people could see someone having a bad day, post it, and half an hour later a million strangers have seen it - a newspaper or TV station could do that, but their staffers usually ignored things which didn’t have a legitimate news interest.

This feels kind of like the way you could avoid having extensive traffic laws & control systems in 1905 when only a few people had cars.

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

bongodongobob wrote: post #86
albedoa wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What on earth are you talking about. An employer can do that in any state, not just the "right to work" ones.

[flagged]

Did you forget where you were?

https://www.ycombinator.com/launches/MsF-optifye-ai-ai-perfo...

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

tonymet wrote: post #88
kmoser wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That power is actually less fragile than ever, given there are for-profit entities ensuring their continued existence. The State doesn't need to deploy mass surveillance tools when they're built and maintained by private industry. Regular payments and court orders ensure the State has ready access to any of the data they might want.

I lean toward this side . It’s harder to know friend vs enemy because everyone is engaged and employed to spy on you. My doctor requires privacy disclosures to share my diagnostics and genome results – none of the admins know how to allow me to decline. So now I have to choose between important care and – risk of employment and insurability . Also the martial forces (police , military, security ) are more directly ma…

It just get's worse and worse every day.

'Airlines Sell 5B Ticket Records to Government for Warrantless Searching' https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45250703

Re: Massive Attack turns concert into facial recognition surveillance experiment

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Post by andrewflnr »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #55
jkingsman wrote: post #3

Feels like this title could benefit from clarification that 'Massive Attack' refers to the band and not the concept of a large scale attack; perhaps "Band 'Massive Attack' Turns Concert into Facial Recognition Surveillance Experiment"

Why suggest that headlines should have enough detail to prevent people from reading the article and gaining a fuller understanding of the material? The problem isn't that headlines don't have enough details, it's that people want to or already do treat them like the full story and never have to learn anything nuanced therein.

The purpose of a headline, at least in an ideal world, is to tell you whether the article's topic is relevant to your interests. That's all that's being asked for here. Being able to properly parse the headline is a good start.

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Post by andrewflnr »

jkingsman wrote: post #3

Feels like this title could benefit from clarification that 'Massive Attack' refers to the band and not the concept of a large scale attack; perhaps "Band 'Massive Attack' Turns Concert into Facial Recognition Surveillance Experiment"

My read was "cyber attack". I had to do some backtracking and context lookups to get the right parse.

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Post by jmward01 »

The big difference between this and all the other facial recognition happening is that people knew it happened. Walk into a fast food chain and take a look at all those cameras. Do you really think they aren't harvesting every possible insight from them? I can only guess what McDonald's could glean from recognizing every face and tracking time/place/order/how long you look at the menu and which items, etc etc. I don't know that that is going on but in the US with how little we have in privacy protections I must assume that they do everything I just thought of and way more. We need more people exposing what is allowed by law and pointing it out in big obvious ways, only with a banner below saying "We tell you this is happening. Corporations don't"

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Post by jameslk »

jkingsman wrote: post #3

Feels like this title could benefit from clarification that 'Massive Attack' refers to the band and not the concept of a large scale attack; perhaps "Band 'Massive Attack' Turns Concert into Facial Recognition Surveillance Experiment"

Anyone who’s seen The Matrix has been exposed to Massive Attack in one of the most famous scenes from the movie:

https://youtu.be/6IDT3MpSCKI

In fact, I recall many songs from The Matrix being played nonstop back in my teenage gamer IRC days. Maybe even by others than just me

Re: Massive Attack turns concert into facial recognition surveillance experiment

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Post by alexey-salmin »

Loughla wrote: post #13
tptacek wrote: post #5

Neat and all, but I'd be even happier if they flirted with the experiment of actually touring a new album, rather than serving as trip-hop's answer to Roger Waters, touring forever on the same 12 songs.

You watch your dirty mouth. They're amazing and you know it. But yes. They do need new material dammit.

[Not the OP] Massive Attack is (was?) amazing but their live shows aren't.

I attended one in Paris this year. Not only it was exactly the same show as few years ago including the decorations and the scrolling text wall but the sound was horrible. I couldn't hear anything.

I would be better off if I just stayed home and listened to the recording.

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Post by hulitu »

antonymoose wrote: post #20
IOUnix wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hahah, great point. As a music nut I knew what it was talking about, but to people who don't it might seem alarming.

I unironically thought this was going to be about a recent terrorist attack on a concert.

> I unironically thought this was going to be about a recent terrorist attack on a concert.

Nothing personal, but you do seem to have a nice education. US ?

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