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Re: Massive Attack turns concert into facial recognition surveillance experiment

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Post by hulitu »

andrewflnr wrote: post #94
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why suggest that headlines should have enough detail to prevent people from reading the article and gaining a fuller understanding of the material? The problem isn't that headlines don't have enough details, it's that people want to or already do treat them like the full story and never have to learn anything nuanced therein.

The purpose of a headline, at least in an ideal world, is to tell you whether the article's topic is relevant to your interests. That's all that's being asked for here. Being able to properly parse the headline is a good start.

> Being able to properly parse the headline is a good start.

The headline is perfectly parseable, unless most of the headlines on HN or BBC. The fact that it says "Band concert" shall be selfexplanatory.

Re: Massive Attack turns concert into facial recognition surveillance experiment

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Post by andrewflnr »

hulitu wrote: post #101
andrewflnr wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The purpose of a headline, at least in an ideal world, is to tell you whether the article's topic is relevant to your interests. That's all that's being asked for here. Being able to properly parse the headline is a good start.

> Being able to properly parse the headline is a good start. The headline is perfectly parseable, unless most of the headlines on HN or BBC. The fact that it says "Band concert" shall be selfexplanatory.

If it did say "band concert", that would still be grammatically dubious but would still indeed be more self explanatory. But it literally doesn't say that.

Re: Massive Attack turns concert into facial recognition surveillance experiment

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Post by d--b »

cobbzilla wrote: post #82
tonymet wrote: post #64

Think about the most notorious authoritarian regimes. Third Reich, GDR , USSR, Mao's China. They had relatively weak surveillance capacity. Secret police had to personally spy on the target and manually install bugs/taps. Technology was primitive and error prone. Most casual conversations were less vulnerable to spying. Rural people were relatively safe. Private conversations could be easily held in secret (e.g. walk…

Scary stuff. But if we only use mass facial-recognition to catch “the bad guys” then that’s OK, right? It’s not totalitarian or authoritarian at all, right? When a majority of voters want it, that’s democracy, right? My head hurts. [1] https://news.met.police.uk/news/arrest-landmark-for-met-offi... [2] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62lq580696o [3] https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/met-police-facial-reco...

The problem is that people in power decide who the "bad guys" are.

Authoritarian regimes come up with bogus charges to include political opponents in the "bad guys", painting them as criminals to the rest of the country, and legitimizing their arrests.

These surveillance technologies have two main problems: if you have more data, it's easier to dig dirt on people. And if you don't have data, you can always fake it.

The requirement for it to work though is that you need regular people to believe that political opponents are in fact criminals.

The scary shit is that the US is not too far from being there.

Re: Massive Attack turns concert into facial recognition surveillance experiment

#104

Post by antonvs »

bongodongobob wrote: post #97
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you forget where you were? https://www.ycombinator.com/launches/MsF-optifye-ai-ai-perfo...

What is this?

They’re pointing out that we’re having this discussion on a site funded by a company that also funds a company that makes software to monitor factory worker performance, because it might make some money. Quasi-fascist leanings here shouldn’t be too much of a surprise.

Re: Massive Attack turns concert into facial recognition surveillance experiment

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Post by fmbb »

jolmg wrote: post #69
insickness wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Public photography is not a crime, nor should it be. However, that doesn't mean your likeness can be used for just any purpose.

> Public photography is not a crime, nor should it be. IDK about shouldn't. Public photography not being a crime comes from a time where one could still be generally expected to remain anonymous despite being photographed. Just like how you can be seen by strangers in the street while walking and still remain anonymous. Yet stalking is a crime, and facial recognition seems to be the digital equivalent. Facial recogni…

Private persons snapping a few shots here and there in public capturing someone’s likeness is a drop in the bucket compared to all the automated surveillance photography and video out there. Let’s address that first so we are not straining out gnats but swallowing camels.

Re: Massive Attack turns concert into facial recognition surveillance experiment

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Post by JimDabell »

IOUnix wrote: post #4
jkingsman wrote: post #3

Feels like this title could benefit from clarification that 'Massive Attack' refers to the band and not the concept of a large scale attack; perhaps "Band 'Massive Attack' Turns Concert into Facial Recognition Surveillance Experiment"

Hahah, great point. As a music nut I knew what it was talking about, but to people who don't it might seem alarming.

This reminds me of the time I bought a physical copy of O’Reilly’s Python Cookbook from a bookshop and wondered why everybody was giving me strange looks.

Re: Massive Attack turns concert into facial recognition surveillance experiment

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Post by cornichon622 »

layer8 wrote: post #70
jkingsman wrote: post #3

Feels like this title could benefit from clarification that 'Massive Attack' refers to the band and not the concept of a large scale attack; perhaps "Band 'Massive Attack' Turns Concert into Facial Recognition Surveillance Experiment"

The casing sort-of disambiguates it.

The casing was changed, before almost every word had an uppercase. I'll never understand that trend!

Re: Massive Attack turns concert into facial recognition surveillance experiment

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Post by bmitc »

jameslk wrote: post #98
jkingsman wrote: post #3

Feels like this title could benefit from clarification that 'Massive Attack' refers to the band and not the concept of a large scale attack; perhaps "Band 'Massive Attack' Turns Concert into Facial Recognition Surveillance Experiment"

Anyone who’s seen The Matrix has been exposed to Massive Attack in one of the most famous scenes from the movie: https://youtu.be/6IDT3MpSCKI In fact, I recall many songs from The Matrix being played nonstop back in my teenage gamer IRC days. Maybe even by others than just me

As a note, that version is a pre-release version that was used in the movie before the album released. The album version is different.

Re: Massive Attack turns concert into facial recognition surveillance experiment

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Post by JimDabell »

thw_9a83c wrote: post #11

> The band deployed live facial recognition technology that captured and analyzed attendees during their recent performance. I think more drama has been created around this than is necessary. Based on the video, the real-time projected visitor's faces were not analyzed. They were simply shown with a random description flag attached, such as "energetic," "compassionate," "inspiring," "fitness influencer," or "cloud wa…

The article is deliberately inflammatory by labelling this as biometric data capture without consent.

It’s incredibly common for tickets to big gigs to have fine print along the lines of “by attending you consent to being recorded”. This has been the case for decades. If you’ve ever watched an official recording of a live performance, you’ve seen this in action.

This is just a novel presentation of what is already commonplace recording. And it’s great and it makes a point, but the article is bad.

Re: Massive Attack turns concert into facial recognition surveillance experiment

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Post by bongodongobob »

antonvs wrote: post #104
bongodongobob wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is this?

They’re pointing out that we’re having this discussion on a site funded by a company that also funds a company that makes software to monitor factory worker performance, because it might make some money. Quasi-fascist leanings here shouldn’t be too much of a surprise.

Yeah, I mean obviously discourse is worthless unless it's GNU self hosted in an air gapped Faraday cage fed by sneakernet.
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