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14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

soulofmischief wrote: post #146
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #109

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> billboards covering my local highway reminding me OP is wrong. But billboards that upset you aren’t evidence of restrictions on speech.

You should give my position more thought before being dismissive. The billboards contribute to an overall campaign backed by billions of dollars to create a chilling effect. If you are unfamiliar with the chilling effect: > The "chilling effect" means that people are being discouraged or intimidated from engaging in expression for fear of negative consequences, such as social disapproval, retaliation, or lawsuits. Th…

> billboards contribute to an overall campaign backed by billions of dollars to create a chilling effect

I’m not sure how anyone listening to the American discourse around Israel and Gaza can conclude there is a chilling effect around anything in the public space. (Note: not academia.)

More specifically, this argument —one side is trying to chill the other by speaking too much—could be used to justify censorship around anything.

Speech around Gaza is absolutely being suppressed. But billboards aren’t evidence of that.

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by mxkopy »

barbazoo wrote: post #153
mandeepj wrote: post #143

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Quite similar corruption is happening here in America! Donald trump made over $3.8B since getting into office this year, while tanking farming, jobs market, and foreign relations.

That number can’t be right, must not be right, do you have a source for that?

You can look up the figure pretty easily but from what I’ve glanced it seems to be related to his and his son’s crypto schemes, touted through official WH channels

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by Quarrelsome »

FollowingTheDao wrote: post #161
Quarrelsome wrote: post #156

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I think its quite something that we all waste our time over divisions like left/right, capitalism/socialism, woke/not-woke when in practice; this is the only division that matters. Those who are trying to follow the rules and make the nation better, and those that are only active for their self-interest.

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hard disagree, many OG and influentual socialists came from rich backgrounds. There's also lots of poor people out there who are simply waiting their opportunity to be corrupt. Anecdotally I've experienced many people from working class backgrounds who are extremely proud of their tax evasion. The key dividing line is those who follow the rules and believe in the system and those that don't and are just looking out for their own interests.

This further explains corruption within socialist systems where everyone is effectively "equal" but some people are still looking out for themselves over everyone else.

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by miohtama »

FollowingTheDao wrote: post #161
Quarrelsome wrote: post #156

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I think its quite something that we all waste our time over divisions like left/right, capitalism/socialism, woke/not-woke when in practice; this is the only division that matters. Those who are trying to follow the rules and make the nation better, and those that are only active for their self-interest.

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> Capitalism has done more to overcome hunger and poverty than any other system in world history. The most devastating man-made famines over the past 100 years all occurred under socialism – in the 1930s alone, according to a range of estimates, between five and nine million people died in the Soviet Union from famines caused by the socialist collectivisation of agriculture.

> The end of communism in China and the Soviet Union was a major factor in the 42 percent reduction of hunger between 1990 and 2017.

https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/is-capitalism-to-blame-for-hu...

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by zote »

wtcactus wrote: post #88
bjackman wrote: post #41

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Also note the phrasing. The content is "the police killed 14 people". But the form is "the situation turned violent as a result of the protester's actions".

Isn’t this very similar to what protestors did on the January 6th incident in the USA?

What the protestors did sure, their motive, the state's response wildly different. I'd say more but why bring the US into the discussion.

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

rkomorn wrote: post #133
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #8

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Because people in the West have been indoctrinated to trust their governments far too much to an unhealthy degree to actually think that maybe their government doesn't have their best interest at heart and to start protesting. And also because they're in the trap of a government provided cushy lifestyle which the government can terminate at will without violence (de-banking, de-pensioning, de-uneployment, de-social h…

News to me that the French, for example, trust their government and do not protest.

Trust is orthogonal to protests. Frech protest when the government takes away their gibs, not because it's spying on them.

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by kogasa240p »

alephnerd wrote: post #95
factorialboy wrote: post #89

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Classic color revolution — China and India will be watching intently.

China and India are meddling in this. Nothing in Nepali politics happens without either China or India's hands or implicit blessing. Heck, regional Nepali politicans will literally vie for Nitish Kumar or Lalu Prasad Yadav's (the two perpetual CMs of Bihar) backing. Even the Armed Forces(pro-India) and the Armed Police Force (pro-China) are at each others throats. Whenever India feels Nepal is getting too close to Ch…

>WhatsApp is heavily used by Nepalis both domestically and abroad (a large portion of Nepalis work abroad in India, the Gulf, Singapore, South Korea, Malaysia, and Japan as migrant workers) so people are cut off from communicating with each other.

People need to start learning XMPP, cutting off of centralized services is only going to get worse.

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by whimsicalism »

fruitworks wrote: post #169
whimsicalism wrote: post #149

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all that from one comment, huh?

Who do you want to step in to save the capitol from armed right wing protesters? The police and the military are largely sympathetic to the right wing. The only solution is for the left-wing of US politics to stop disarming itself. The reason that voting power exists is because it represents the fighting power of the voters. When you decouple the two, you create a power imbalance that gangsters and tyrants can exploi…

jeez and you accuse me of LARPing online. call me when your revolution starts

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by monkeyelite »

netsharc wrote: post #55
MangoToupe wrote: post #6

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It also seems reasonable that companies have to follow local laws to operate there. Corporations superseding states seems just as dystopian as state repression of dissent. Granted, there is either confusion or misrepresentation as Mastodon is also banned. The reporting seems pretty meagre; even strictly with these events, how are so many dying from batons and rubber bullets? Sure these can kill, but fourteen people?

It's awkward isn't it, because following local laws could mean being a helping hand of the oppressor... For an extreme example, an email company that is forced by a new law to reveal all emails of citizens of country X, or a payment app that has to upload all transactions to the government (and where the supreme court has ruled in favour of the surveillance state). The "moral" company would probably rather shut their…

> And who has the last word on what's moral?

The standard assumption in business is that you follow local laws and customs as they are a proxy for the moral system of the local people.

Are you operating a business or promoting western ideas?

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by snapcaster »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #127
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #123

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> a classic color revolution, such as this one, is the signature of you-know-who I literally don’t.

there's a conspiracy theory that every revolution of the past 100 years was caused by the cia.

I don't like comments like this, because while you're right that many people think everything happening everywhere is the CIA. The CIA (and US gov) _has_ been involved in an absurd amount of regime changes (that we know about). CIA involvement in something like this shouldn't be dismissed out of hand

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...

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