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Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by simgt »

pjmlp wrote: post #54
cedws wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not aware of a single nation where the ratchet is loosening. It appears freedom is being eroded everywhere. The most disheartening thing is that nothing works to stop it. There are countries where millions of people have protested, but in time the protests always fizzle or are stamped out, and things continue on the same trajectory.

As first generation out of Salazar's dictorship, our country now having a right majority with a Nazi party in the mix, makes me really sad. How short the memory of folks can be, especially with my parents and grand parents generations still around, but apparently their memories and experiences now fall into death hears. Maybe when they start getting visits from the eventually new state protection police, they will un…

A bit of brainwashing through some media owned by billionaires and there we go for another round. My parents' generation is voting en masse for a party that was literally funded by a former Waffen-SS leader after WW2, while thinking "the left" is antisemitic.

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

mothballed wrote: post #85
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Protests are rarely effectual False “Nonviolent protests are twice as likely to succeed as armed conflicts – and those engaging a threshold of 3.5% of the population have never failed to bring about change” [1]. Exhibit A: the same region, literally last month. First protesters in Bangladesh lead “to the ouster of the then-prime minister, Sheikh Hasina” [2]. Then Indonesia “pledged to revoke lawmakers’ perks and pr…

That study appears to be comparing violent protests to non-violent protests. At 3.5% of the populace taking up arms (not in protest but in war), that would far outnumber armed government officials in most countries. I don't doubt that a government choosing to concede at the point those 3.5% signaled peacefully they are likely to get violence soon, since the government conceding before that happens indicates they are…

> study appears to be comparing violent protests to non-violent protests

No. The 3.5% figure specifically refers to nonviolent resistance [1].

Would note that “new research suggests that one nonviolent movement, Bahrain in 2011-2014, appears to have decisively failed despite achieving over 6% popular participation at its peak” [2]. But the fact remains that it’s harder to identify ineffective mass protests than effective ones.

> which makes sense since both sides tend to pick violence when they actually think they can win

This assumes a lot more rationality than violent resistance (and corrupt governments) tend to have.

Instead, the evidence is that violent resistance fails more often than nonviolent resistance. In part because violent resistance helps the government consolidate power over its own violence apparatus in a way nonviolent protest inhibits.

[1] https://cup.columbia.edu/book/why-civil-resistance-works/978...

[2] https://www.hks.harvard.edu/centers/carr/publications/questi...

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by salawat »

glhaynes wrote: post #51
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Can you give specific examples? Most rich western/northern European countries. >which seems quite silly to me because it basically consists only of people that you directly or indirectly voted for It's not silly when you consider that the candidates you can vote for, are all managed oppositions, each owned and supported by various mega-money interest groups. Why else did Bernie Sanders never got nominated as a presi…

Why else did Bernie Sanders never got nominated as a presidential candidate even though many people supported him? Because more people supported someone else.

Wrong. Democratic super delegates overrode the nomination in favor of someone more friendly to the true pro-business party line.

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by wtcactus »

alephnerd wrote: post #86
beardyw wrote: post #84

> The prime minister said the party is not against social media, “but what cannot be accepted is those doing business in Nepal, making money, and yet not complying with the law”. I accept that there is corruption and manipulation by the government, but experience tells us also that these companies may be avoiding taxes towards zero.

They have all registered with Nepal's revenue office and are paying VAT [0] The issue is the government in Nepal wants every social media holding company to have a designated person in Nepal who they can directly communicate with for takedowns without going through the traditional process, and if the company does not flllow through, hold that person legally liable. It's a blatant censorship ploy because protests and…

So, very similar to what happened with X in Brazil.

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by alephnerd »

factorialboy wrote: post #89
lionturtle wrote: post #10

It was absolutely not just social media ban, it was mostly youth protesting against the corrupt government and unfairness, social media ban was one element that was against the freedom of speech, but it was right around the time where everyone was documenting the rich politicians, their business connections and their families that have been living lavishly and just inheriting the election seats from generation to gen…

Classic color revolution — China and India will be watching intently.

China and India are meddling in this. Nothing in Nepali politics happens without either China or India's hands or implicit blessing. Heck, regional Nepali politicans will literally vie for Nitish Kumar or Lalu Prasad Yadav's (the two perpetual CMs of Bihar) backing.

Even the Armed Forces(pro-India) and the Armed Police Force (pro-China) are at each others throats.

Whenever India feels Nepal is getting too close to China, a crisis happens. When China feels Nepal is getting to close to India, a crisis happens as well.

It's like how Iraqi and Lebanese politics is always meddled in by Saudi and Iran.

Also, the social media ban is extremely damaging.

Most students use Google and YouTube to study, and WhatsApp is heavily used by Nepalis both domestically and abroad (a large portion of Nepalis work abroad in India, the Gulf, Singapore, South Korea, Malaysia, and Japan as migrant workers) so people are cut off from communicating with each other and getting job offers.

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by simgt »

komali2 wrote: post #53
cedws wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not aware of a single nation where the ratchet is loosening. It appears freedom is being eroded everywhere. The most disheartening thing is that nothing works to stop it. There are countries where millions of people have protested, but in time the protests always fizzle or are stamped out, and things continue on the same trajectory.

We recently had a record-sized protest in Taiwan and major political movements as a result. The recall movement was also unprecedented, though it ostensibly failed. However the KMT has failed in its coupe so there's still a positive outcome. It's why I'm here - it's one of the only countries on earth for which I'm politically optimistic.

Lucky you! Taiwan is such a great place, I hope it will thrive in spite of its bullies.

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by JackFr »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #36
myrmidon wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because people in the West have been indoctrinated to trust their governments far too much to an unhealthy degree Can you give specific examples? I frequently find the US outlook to be exactly the reverse, where people pretend like "the government" is some conspiratorial shadow organisation undermining all the citizens at every step (which seems quite silly to me because it basically consists only of people that yo…

>Can you give specific examples? Most rich western/northern European countries. >which seems quite silly to me because it basically consists only of people that you directly or indirectly voted for It's not silly when you consider that the candidates you can vote for, are all managed oppositions, each owned and supported by various mega-money interest groups. Why else did Bernie Sanders never got nominated as a presi…

> supported by various mega-money interest groups

‘Mega-money interest’ groups are a bugaboo for people who find it hard to accept that a large swath of the public doesn’t agree with them.

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by baggachipz »

alephnerd wrote: post #86
beardyw wrote: post #84

> The prime minister said the party is not against social media, “but what cannot be accepted is those doing business in Nepal, making money, and yet not complying with the law”. I accept that there is corruption and manipulation by the government, but experience tells us also that these companies may be avoiding taxes towards zero.

They have all registered with Nepal's revenue office and are paying VAT [0] The issue is the government in Nepal wants every social media holding company to have a designated person in Nepal who they can directly communicate with for takedowns without going through the traditional process, and if the company does not flllow through, hold that person legally liable. It's a blatant censorship ploy because protests and…

Ah, so they did the right thing for the (very) wrong reasons. Shame.

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by whimsicalism »

alephnerd wrote: post #86
beardyw wrote: post #84

> The prime minister said the party is not against social media, “but what cannot be accepted is those doing business in Nepal, making money, and yet not complying with the law”. I accept that there is corruption and manipulation by the government, but experience tells us also that these companies may be avoiding taxes towards zero.

They have all registered with Nepal's revenue office and are paying VAT [0] The issue is the government in Nepal wants every social media holding company to have a designated person in Nepal who they can directly communicate with for takedowns without going through the traditional process, and if the company does not flllow through, hold that person legally liable. It's a blatant censorship ploy because protests and…

i’m pretty sure that’s a standard requirement.. or at least extremely similar to how Brazil does it and i think similar for lots of EU countries
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