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Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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I'm not sure "the press manufactured consent for never-ending COVID reinfections" so much as people figured it would become another cold like the other four coronaviruses, regardless of what anyone wants.

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It it was like that it would be a US specific thing but basically every country on earth has mostly stopped worrying about COVID.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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It it was like that it would be a US specific thing but basically every country on earth has mostly stopped worrying about COVID.

Agreed, and guess how many countries prior to COVID followed our CDC's lead? The answer is most of them.

The fact remains that people are slowly waking up to this and altering their behavior even into 2025, since it's not always too late to do so. You can see this in the steady growth of the /r/ZeroCovidCommunity subreddit.

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What's the primary factor contributing to metabolic syndrome in children? And are you really claiming you can't determine that factor by looking?

I don't understand the response. Kennedy didn't say "factor" or "metabolic syndrome", he said "I see these kids that are just overburdened with mitochondrial challenges". If all he meant was that many kids are visibly overweight, wouldn't he have just said that?

The charitable interpretation is that it is simply a more sensitive and accurate way to say that.

It puts aside all the big is beautiful and similar takes and points to the fact that many American kids, especially those in certain parts of the country are now afflicted with metabolic syndrome (which is closely associated with mitochondrial disfunction). It is well-known that overloading mitochondria with sugar is quite bad for them and a key contributor to type 2 diabetes.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10036395/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32428560/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4408906/

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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It is the safest painkiller currently available. Ibuprofen can cause gut bleeding and renal issues if overdosed on. We all know about opiates. Some facts - typical adult dose is 1g. Max suggested cap on the drug label is 3g per day (about 6 pills at usual 500mg dose). You need to take 10g (20 pills) to be at real risk of hepatotoxicity. So 10 times the typical dose is when you have overdose effects. (basically 20 pil…

My mom gave me one 325 mg aspirin dissolved in a spoon of water and a little sugar as a tot - it was tasty!

I took the typical two 325 mg aspirin for headache thru college and grad school.

Years later I had a cracked rib and was prescribed 800 mg ibufprofen twice daily. The rib pain vanished for the duration (and my swim times improved significantly)! I became a convert to Advil.

Years later I'm older and minimize my painkillers - most of the time I take nothing but coffee. But if sudden brain pain strikes I take either baby aspirin, ibuprofen, or "Headache Relief", a witches' brew sold by many vendors (typically ~250 mg acetaminophen, 250 mg aspirin and caffeine). So I'm hedging my bets!

If I must use something every day then I use baby aspirin (if worried about heart/circulatory issues) or ibuprofen (if worried about pain). When I need to think clearly (most the time) I avoid acetaminophen.

IMHO people overestimate the "gut bleeding" risk from NSAIDS.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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If he’s right, we’ll know before the end of Trump’s term. How much are people willing to bet that the incidence of autism will remain unchanged and the administration will disavow everything. “Nobody knew autism was so complicated.” — future Trump, probably.

> “Nobody knew autism was so complicated.” — future Trump, probably.

"Autism rates have gone down 500% during my r/e/i/g/n/ administration!"

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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It does not stress the liver at recommended doses. Plenty of people get frequent headaches and other aches that have no other severe stuff going on, or really anything that needs to be treated more than symptomatically. Scheduled tylenol is an effective element of a pain regimen for many people.

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Although I rarely take any form of painkiller, I've had headaches so bad I could barely exist. In those cases, pain killers were an important relief.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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It is the safest painkiller currently available. Ibuprofen can cause gut bleeding and renal issues if overdosed on. We all know about opiates. Some facts - typical adult dose is 1g. Max suggested cap on the drug label is 3g per day (about 6 pills at usual 500mg dose). You need to take 10g (20 pills) to be at real risk of hepatotoxicity. So 10 times the typical dose is when you have overdose effects. (basically 20 pil…

My mom gave me one 325 mg aspirin dissolved in a spoon of water and a little sugar as a tot - it was tasty! I took the typical two 325 mg aspirin for headache thru college and grad school. Years later I had a cracked rib and was prescribed 800 mg ibufprofen twice daily. The rib pain vanished for the duration (and my swim times improved significantly)! I became a convert to Advil. Years later I'm older and minimize my…

Isn't it highly recommended to not give Aspirin to young people because of Reye’s syndrome risks?

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Most medications have a buffer, so if you accidentally take an extra dose (instead of just 2 pills every 6 hours, but no more than 6 in a 48 hour period). Acetaminophen does not have that buffer. Even just slightly over the dosing recommendations can be lethal, and for a drug that's in hundreds of products, that's terrifying. Imo you're being exceptionally careless for one of the most dangerous OTC drugs we have avai…

How is following the instructions being “exceptionally careless”? It’s like using bleach to whiten clothes. The bottle says “do not drink”. I don’t drink it, I’m fine. If I misuse it, I’m toast, like with any other myriad household products that can kill you if you use them not as directed.

Follow the instructions for Tylenol. And for a cough syrup. Add in Model or Nyquil. 6 hours go by, you take a second dose of each, and two days later your liver fails.

Which product's instructions did you fail to follow?

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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It does not stress the liver at recommended doses. Plenty of people get frequent headaches and other aches that have no other severe stuff going on, or really anything that needs to be treated more than symptomatically. Scheduled tylenol is an effective element of a pain regimen for many people.

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Please don't do this here.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most medications have a buffer, so if you accidentally take an extra dose (instead of just 2 pills every 6 hours, but no more than 6 in a 48 hour period). Acetaminophen does not have that buffer. Even just slightly over the dosing recommendations can be lethal, and for a drug that's in hundreds of products, that's terrifying. Imo you're being exceptionally careless for one of the most dangerous OTC drugs we have avai…

How is following the instructions being “exceptionally careless”? It’s like using bleach to whiten clothes. The bottle says “do not drink”. I don’t drink it, I’m fine. If I misuse it, I’m toast, like with any other myriad household products that can kill you if you use them not as directed.

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