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Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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If he’s right, we’ll know before the end of Trump’s term.

How much are people willing to bet that the incidence of autism will remain unchanged and the administration will disavow everything.

“Nobody knew autism was so complicated.” — future Trump, probably.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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If RFK Jr says it's true, that's how I know it isn't. They go to great lengths to point out they're "using gold-standard science", which also makes me certain they aren't. They can't be, because none of this is about autism or science, it's about pushing their political agenda.

> that's how I know it isn't. Until you have a controlled study on pregnant women who use and don't use the drug, you won't really know for sure.

Until we have a controlled study, we don't really know if using nouns causes autism either. We don't know what causes autism so everything is suspect.

https://news.ki.se/no-link-between-paracetamol-use-during-pr... concludes that there is no link between acetaminophen and autism based on existing research. https://ehjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12940-... concludes the opposite. I'm not qualified to determine which of these studies is more reliable, but the evidence is far from clear if multiple literature studies state the opposite conclusion.

News articles seem to state that the conclusions are clear as day but the same websites were equally sure of the opposite last year.

I'll wait or reliable sources of medical information, which the US government no longer is, to comment on these papers rather than assume whatever paper made the HN frontpage last is the final result of the scientific debate.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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If RFK Jr says it's true, that's how I know it isn't. They go to great lengths to point out they're "using gold-standard science", which also makes me certain they aren't. They can't be, because none of this is about autism or science, it's about pushing their political agenda.

Why is he so against medicine?

That's how he got where he is today.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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If RFK Jr says it's true, that's how I know it isn't. They go to great lengths to point out they're "using gold-standard science", which also makes me certain they aren't. They can't be, because none of this is about autism or science, it's about pushing their political agenda.

While you're probably right in the outcome, you probably shouldn't argue based on the genetic fallacy[1] 1: https://www.scribbr.co.uk/fallacy/the-genetic-fallacy/#:~:te...

There's a threshold where you just don't have a choice. He's made a number of obvious and verifiable health lies - most recently, he described how he can diagnose children with "mitochondrial challenges" by watching them walk around. I have a job, I don't have time to individually investigate all his health claims, the heuristic that he's a liar and everything he says is wrong will have to suffice.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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post #8

If RFK Jr says it's true, that's how I know it isn't. They go to great lengths to point out they're "using gold-standard science", which also makes me certain they aren't. They can't be, because none of this is about autism or science, it's about pushing their political agenda.

Why is he so against medicine?

He explained his views in detail in his confirmation hearing. He believes that pharmaceuticals in general are dangerous and overused, "the third-largest cause of death in our country after heart attacks and cancers" in his words, and wants healthcare to focus more on healthy food than on medicine.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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If RFK Jr says it's true, that's how I know it isn't. They go to great lengths to point out they're "using gold-standard science", which also makes me certain they aren't. They can't be, because none of this is about autism or science, it's about pushing their political agenda.

While you're probably right in the outcome, you probably shouldn't argue based on the genetic fallacy[1] 1: https://www.scribbr.co.uk/fallacy/the-genetic-fallacy/#:~:te...

I agree with this criticism.

If medical facts can reliably be inferred from RFK's statements, by whatever algorithm (i.e. "believe the opposite of whatever he says"), then it follows that he understands what he is talking about. Which would contradict all the evidence I've seen.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

While you're probably right in the outcome, you probably shouldn't argue based on the genetic fallacy[1] 1: https://www.scribbr.co.uk/fallacy/the-genetic-fallacy/#:~:te...

I agree with this criticism. If medical facts can reliably be inferred from RFK's statements, by whatever algorithm (i.e. "believe the opposite of whatever he says"), then it follows that he understands what he is talking about. Which would contradict all the evidence I've seen.

The point isn't that it's a clever truth-seeking strategy. I'm sure some number of his health claims are true! He'll probably even publish some new recommendations which were better than the old ones, and promote some accurate groundbreaking research I won't believe. I'll have plenty of time to learn the accurate stuff later when HHS isn't dedicated to convincing me of nonsense.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is he so against medicine?

He explained his views in detail in his confirmation hearing. He believes that pharmaceuticals in general are dangerous and overused, "the third-largest cause of death in our country after heart attacks and cancers" in his words, and wants healthcare to focus more on healthy food than on medicine.

> (...) and wants healthcare to focus more on healthy food than on medicine.

This is the guy who caught a worm in his brain from eating roadkill?

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

While you're probably right in the outcome, you probably shouldn't argue based on the genetic fallacy[1] 1: https://www.scribbr.co.uk/fallacy/the-genetic-fallacy/#:~:te...

There's a threshold where you just don't have a choice. He's made a number of obvious and verifiable health lies - most recently, he described how he can diagnose children with "mitochondrial challenges" by watching them walk around. I have a job, I don't have time to individually investigate all his health claims, the heuristic that he's a liar and everything he says is wrong will have to suffice.

What's the primary factor contributing to metabolic syndrome in children?

And are you really claiming you can't determine that factor by looking?

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a threshold where you just don't have a choice. He's made a number of obvious and verifiable health lies - most recently, he described how he can diagnose children with "mitochondrial challenges" by watching them walk around. I have a job, I don't have time to individually investigate all his health claims, the heuristic that he's a liar and everything he says is wrong will have to suffice.

What's the primary factor contributing to metabolic syndrome in children? And are you really claiming you can't determine that factor by looking?

I don't understand the response. Kennedy didn't say "factor" or "metabolic syndrome", he said "I see these kids that are just overburdened with mitochondrial challenges". If all he meant was that many kids are visibly overweight, wouldn't he have just said that?
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