My feelings on significant WFH have gone around from thinking it's a no brainer to accepting that it's not really doable for large companies (large headcount wise at least). It sucks, but I've found that the number of people who work as well (or even better!) from the home is not zero, but the number of people who claim there's no difference and then end up doing significantly worse work, become a massive pain to get…
Amazon RTO policy is costing it top tech talent, according to internal document
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Re: Amazon RTO policy is costing it top tech talent, according to internal document
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> firing is disruptive and expensive, and it's not like all these people are inherently incapable of doing their jobs. Do you even hear yourself? I'm done. You are so completely entirely missing the point it's not funny. You can say that about ALMOST ANYTHING!!!! But somehow WFH is the line where businesses should put their foot down, give up on actually managing people (at all!), and then treat every employee like a…
Have a good one.
Re: Amazon RTO policy is costing it top tech talent, according to internal document
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> It's like some people can't fathom you'd be invested in how well your team or larger organization executes unless you're a manager. Bro it's not that complicated. You hand waved ("wfh is somehow fine for small companies but breaks down for large companies") and *offer zero explanation for why that would be the case, or how that makes any sense*. For what size does it break down? What org structure? Is it 20 people?…
I think you're not doing so ok, and I hope you get better. And that's not an insult. I mean it.
Re: Amazon RTO policy is costing it top tech talent, according to internal document
#164I started to think that these type of articles posted on Hacker News are a bit excessive. This and the AI stuff. This is one American company (high-profile, for sure) that might or might not be having retention issues. It's up to them to decide that, individual employees of the said company to decide if this arrangement is still right for them and shareholders if this will be a worthy investment in the next years. I…
Re: Amazon RTO policy is costing it top tech talent, according to internal document
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that doesn't sound coerced. That just sounds like people who dont want to pay their fair share of taxes. "Oh no, we now need to fund services we don't get downtown by taxing the people who make money off our civilization."
What is the "fair" share of taxes for a company to pay to local governments? Please quantify and show your work. Local governments are primarily funded through sales and property taxes. Many tech companies that don't sell products to consumers don't collect any sales taxes. And if they rent their office space then they don't directly pay property taxes, either.
next question.
Re: Amazon RTO policy is costing it top tech talent, according to internal document
#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is the "fair" share of taxes for a company to pay to local governments? Please quantify and show your work. Local governments are primarily funded through sales and property taxes. Many tech companies that don't sell products to consumers don't collect any sales taxes. And if they rent their office space then they don't directly pay property taxes, either.
Fair is 1-10x minimum wage. next question.
Re: Amazon RTO policy is costing it top tech talent, according to internal document
#1675 days a week RTO is just beyond the pale. 3 days, sure. 4 days, maybe. But 5 days in office is harsh. Top talent sees this as rude, lack of trust, unnecessary babysitting and middle managing. 3-4 days sure, good for networking, collaboration, etc. But give people 1 day a week flex at least to be trusted adults who can responsibly wfh.
Re: Amazon RTO policy is costing it top tech talent, according to internal document
#168Obviously true, but Amazon never wanted top tech talent. They wanted disposable tech talent. When I was there the expected tenure was 18 months. Managers were expected to fire 10% of their team every year. Benefits were mediocre and the pay was so so. They chewed through devs by putting them in brutal oncall rotations with expectations like, "when you are on call you have a maximum of 15 minutes from being paged to b…
Why is that brutal? That's what on-call is. That's literally the point of paying someone extra for being available.
Re: Amazon RTO policy is costing it top tech talent, according to internal document
#1695 days a week RTO is just beyond the pale. 3 days, sure. 4 days, maybe. But 5 days in office is harsh. Top talent sees this as rude, lack of trust, unnecessary babysitting and middle managing. 3-4 days sure, good for networking, collaboration, etc. But give people 1 day a week flex at least to be trusted adults who can responsibly wfh.
Let them fuck it up royally. At least this way the idiots get to pay for their stupidity when top talent quits because of that.
Re: Amazon RTO policy is costing it top tech talent, according to internal document
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I don't understand why companies don't "get" this bit of it. I'm fairly amenable to the idea of RTO. Office work with a team is just different, and I've worked almost exclusively remote my entire career. If I were a high level leader in these giant orgs trying to implement RTO I'd 100% ban any internal Zoom calls for in-office days. If you are in the office you are in the office. Why take the worst possible form of c…
Ironically, screen sharing on zoom whilst all colocated can be less bad than sitting round a gigantic TV type screen for calls where screen content is needed :-|