Amazon RTO policy is costing it top tech talent, according to internal document

Post by BoorishBears » Fri, Sep 05, 2025, 5:54 AM UTC

nixosbestos wrote: post #107

BoorishBears wrote: post #86

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> This smells like middle manager puedo justification Feel free to read up on my path so far, but you'll be disappointed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45134398 > Someone stuck their gum under the desk so the school banning gum is entirely fair and reasonable? Assume you mean gum, and yes if we're scraping gum off the underside of desks every night, please for the love of Christ ban the gum: https://www.bbc.co…

> firing is disruptive and expensive, and it's not like all these people are inherently incapable of doing their jobs. Do you even hear yourself? I'm done. You are so completely entirely missing the point it's not funny. You can say that about ALMOST ANYTHING!!!! But somehow WFH is the line where businesses should put their foot down, give up on actually managing people (at all!), and then treat every employee like a…

Post by theshrike79 » Fri, Sep 05, 2025, 6:14 AM UTC

randycupertino wrote: post #6

5 days a week RTO is just beyond the pale. 3 days, sure. 4 days, maybe. But 5 days in office is harsh. Top talent sees this as rude, lack of trust, unnecessary babysitting and middle managing. 3-4 days sure, good for networking, collaboration, etc. But give people 1 day a week flex at least to be trusted adults who can responsibly wfh.

Post by FirmwareBurner » Fri, Sep 05, 2025, 6:17 AM UTC

technion wrote: post #77

randycupertino wrote: post #6

5 days a week RTO is just beyond the pale. 3 days, sure. 4 days, maybe. But 5 days in office is harsh. Top talent sees this as rude, lack of trust, unnecessary babysitting and middle managing. 3-4 days sure, good for networking, collaboration, etc. But give people 1 day a week flex at least to be trusted adults who can responsibly wfh.

I have no idea how i used to manage with five days in office. I am currently using myunch hour to see a doctor. A few weeks back I needed to see a plumber, and before that an electrician. Its five seconds out of the work day let them in and send them on their way but I guess we're looking at burning annual leave if I was stuck in office.

Post by renegade-otter » Fri, Sep 05, 2025, 6:20 AM UTC

technion wrote: post #77

randycupertino wrote: post #6

5 days a week RTO is just beyond the pale. 3 days, sure. 4 days, maybe. But 5 days in office is harsh. Top talent sees this as rude, lack of trust, unnecessary babysitting and middle managing. 3-4 days sure, good for networking, collaboration, etc. But give people 1 day a week flex at least to be trusted adults who can responsibly wfh.

I have no idea how i used to manage with five days in office. I am currently using myunch hour to see a doctor. A few weeks back I needed to see a plumber, and before that an electrician. Its five seconds out of the work day let them in and send them on their way but I guess we're looking at burning annual leave if I was stuck in office.

Post by BoorishBears » Fri, Sep 05, 2025, 6:25 AM UTC

nixosbestos wrote: post #105

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Immigrant who started programming in middle school, self-taught without a degree and started at a Made it to FAANG within a decade of that, and worked at companies the entire range of between those two sizes across the 14? 15? years since I first got paid to code? I left my most recent role specifically because I was getting increasing amounts of pressure to play manager vs focus on mixed TL+IC priorities (and I had…

> It's like some people can't fathom you'd be invested in how well your team or larger organization executes unless you're a manager. Bro it's not that complicated. You hand waved ("wfh is somehow fine for small companies but breaks down for large companies") and *offer zero explanation for why that would be the case, or how that makes any sense*. For what size does it break down? What org structure? Is it 20 people?…