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Re: Notion releases offline mode

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Post by kid64 »

Illniyar wrote: post #7
tequila_shot wrote: post #2

I guess for a lot of users like myself using Notion ship has sailed. Most of them have moved to Obsidian, with the new database feature of Obsidian, and it being free, I do not see why users would choose Notion over Obsidian.

I've never heard of companies using Obsidian. Notion isn't really marketed or suitable for individuals (even if their free plan says otherwise).

Apparently Amazon purchased a block of licenses recently. Since the product isn't usable without community extensions, the scale of data exfiltration resulting from this asinine idea will be staggering, and is likely underway.

Re: Notion releases offline mode

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Post by pityJuke »

kid64 wrote: post #161
Illniyar wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never heard of companies using Obsidian. Notion isn't really marketed or suitable for individuals (even if their free plan says otherwise).

Apparently Amazon purchased a block of licenses recently. Since the product isn't usable without community extensions, the scale of data exfiltration resulting from this asinine idea will be staggering, and is likely underway.

> Since the product isn't usable without community extensions

Love when people just spout straight bullshit without any substance to it.

Gladly using Obsidian with no community extensions. It is completely usable as a PKM without any additions.

Re: Notion releases offline mode

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Post by wltr »

levmiseri wrote: post #45

For me one of the biggest issues with Notion (and to a smaller extent with Obsidian as well) is its ever present UI. When I write (or read) something, I don't want to see 20+ buttons scattered around distracting me from the content. IA writer got this right, but it's too local and doesn't have colab or better online sync features. Shameless plug – I'm building https://kraa.io/about that's trying to be a writing app w…

Oh, I like the minimalism of your start page, before you scroll.

Re: Notion releases offline mode

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Post by richardlblair »

wltr wrote: post #159
petralithic wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> deliver something you promised to deliver (not necessarily promised to others), you may want to use a set of self-hosted tools. I don't see how one follows from the other, the vast majority of people use tools to deliver value without really caring whether they're self hosted or not

You missed ‘I guess’ in the quote, but anyway. The idea is that the parent commenter said about the intent to sell the company, and I’ve got the impression it’s a day-one intention. Like, we’re building a company to sell it. So if I’m planning to do the opposite, deliver some actual value and ideally never sell it, what should I do then? Is it self-hosting then? That’s why I’m saying ‘I guess.’ It’s an open question.

Your comment implies people who build companies with the intent to sell don't build companies that deliver value. That couldn't be further from the truth. There is nothing wrong with wanting to build something of value and don't want to work forever. Also, just because you don't see the value doesn't mean the value isn't there.

You're right, though, people who build businesses they have no intent of selling will also get similar value. They also reduce their hit by buss factor, make onboarding new employees easier, and so on.

I was simply offering one perspective. I don't think any commenter provides every single perspective, or when speaking on a product, all that products value.

Re: Notion releases offline mode

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Post by hahn-kev »

maz1b wrote: post #76

Offline mode is one of those features that sounds simple enough, but in reality gets pretty complex pretty fast, particularly if you want to do more meaningful capabilities or operations esp at scale.

The best way to do it is right from the start. It's hard enough as is but adding it on after the fact is even harder.

Re: Notion releases offline mode

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Post by ie21 »

kwanbix wrote: post #128
Saris wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are no tiers or different features, just their own sync service is a paid service, and the commercial license is paid but optional. Otherwise the free Obsidian has everything, and there are other plugins for self hosted syncing that don't use the paid service.

but without syncing is basically unusable, or can I access my texts from my pc and my cell for example?

I have my obsidian vault saved in local Google Drive folder. Saved changes are synced with Google Drive windows app.

I use DriveSync on Android to sync selected Gdrive folder to my phone.

It works.

Re: Notion releases offline mode

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Post by [deleted] »

digdugdirk wrote: post #152
jrm4 wrote: post #139

While we're here; as a long time zim-wiki user, and as someone who dabbled in org-mode for a year; Obsidian never felt compelling enough to switch. For me, this year, Logseq did. The killer concept for me is that it does org-mode hierarchy and outline collapsing, but easier; being able to "zero in" on a block, regardless of whether its its own page is excellent.

I don't quite understand what you mean by that, but you seem pretty amped about it - do you have any recommended getting started guides for logseq? I've never heard of it before, and I'm curious about the feature you described.

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Re: Notion releases offline mode

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Post by demarq »

tequila_shot wrote: post #2

I guess for a lot of users like myself using Notion ship has sailed. Most of them have moved to Obsidian, with the new database feature of Obsidian, and it being free, I do not see why users would choose Notion over Obsidian.

> users like myself

Nerdy devs are a niche.

HN is a tiny tiny bubble. Most users don’t know and wouldn’t care for obsidian or markdown etc.

I think is not a feature to appease the nerd community but for business users who are on the go.

Re: Notion releases offline mode

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Post by giancarlostoro »

tequila_shot wrote: post #2

I guess for a lot of users like myself using Notion ship has sailed. Most of them have moved to Obsidian, with the new database feature of Obsidian, and it being free, I do not see why users would choose Notion over Obsidian.

> with the new database feature of Obsidian

What database features?

Re: Notion releases offline mode

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Post by kwanbix »

Saris wrote: post #136
kwanbix wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but without syncing is basically unusable, or can I access my texts from my pc and my cell for example?

Plenty of other sync options in the plugins if you didn't see the last part of my comment, or you can just sync the Obsidian directory with Syncthing.

Thanks, I misread what you said about the plugins. Will take a look then. thanks.
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