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Claude is the drug, Cursor is the dealer

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Re: Claude is the drug, Cursor is the dealer

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Post by conradev »

bko wrote: post #6

I don't know, it seems like I'm the minority but I like Cursor. I think it adds value beyond the terminal style editors. Yes it relies on the Claude model but I get a lot of value from the visual component, history, auto-complete, etc. Couldn't you make the same argument around something like S3? How many companies are basically S3 wrappers? Or companies that use general AWS infra and make it slightly better. There c…

I’d love for someone to try to define “AI wrapper”.

I’m trying to imagine a graph where at some point in time t

the status of a company changes from “wrapper” (not enough “original” engineering)

to “proper company” (they own the IP, and they fought for it!!!)

At what point did OpenAI cease being an NVIDIA wrapper and become the world’s leading AI lab? At what point did NVIDIA graduate from being a TSMC wrapper?

Clearly any company that gets TSMC N2 node allocation is going to win, the actual details of the chip don’t matter super much.

Re: Claude is the drug, Cursor is the dealer

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Post by jimkleiber »

nartho wrote: post #45
throwup238 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s exciting, isn’t it? I’ve been programming for a quarter century now and this is the first time in 20 years that the future of tech is exciting again and the world is software’s oyster. Can’t wait for AI 2.0 and ads :(

Is it though ? I feel like what ML can achieve is amazing, but, call me a pessimist, I'm bracing for the influx of elaborate scams, propaganda, deep fakes etc who will manage to drive a wedge even further in our society than social networks did. As for programming, my skills are not good enough not to risk an atrophy if I use code completion. I do ask Claude for feedback though. I've always been a tech enthusiast but…

Yea i think a lot of wars have come about from a change in communication technology (eg, radio, film), and can imagine AI might cause a lot of chaos until we learn how to deal with AI-generated video, audio, text, and images. Imagine if Goebbels or the Rwandan genocide had access to AI?

Re: Claude is the drug, Cursor is the dealer

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Post by moomin »

johnisgood wrote: post #22
moomin wrote: post #17

I know this isn’t the point of the article, but that’s not how the drug trade works at all. The producers make very little. The real money is in the logistics. Which you could argue is the cloud providers but the analogy isn’t great anyway.

This is new to me. Are you saying the people producing the drugs make very little?

Yes, the average heroin farmer is making more money than a wheat farmer, but he sells it to someone who can get it to America.

Re: Claude is the drug, Cursor is the dealer

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Post by dizlexic »

p0w3n3d wrote: post #47

Imagine you're studying, for example math, and you have to learn calculus, and you're living in a dormitory with a colleague, who's great at integration calculus, and every time you get another integration function puzzle to solve, this guy (or gal) pops up and says "it's 2*e^2/x+C dx", "it's e^2+C dx", "it's sin(x)/cos(x)+C dx" after 5 milliseconds, even before you fully comprehend the function... I have a question…

I'm a high school dropout dude...

Re: Claude is the drug, Cursor is the dealer

#56

Post by shazbotter »

throwup238 wrote: post #32
ebiester wrote: post #19

Everyone is fighting for their view of the world right now and for those of us who do not have any investment in the success of one of the models, it feels like pure speculation at this point. I don't think there's a human on this planet who can even predict the state of the industry in 3 years. In my entire time in the industry, I have always felt like I had a good line of sight three years away. Even when the iphon…

It’s exciting, isn’t it? I’ve been programming for a quarter century now and this is the first time in 20 years that the future of tech is exciting again and the world is software’s oyster. Can’t wait for AI 2.0 and ads :(

Exciting is one word for it. The dot com crash was also "exciting", I suppose.

I see it as a chance for the capital class to sell everyone shovels and build railroads that will further cement their power and influence, all the while insisting software and art are more democratic than ever. All the while using the same tools to build surveillance infrastructure that will make any dissent impossible.

So yeah, exciting is one word you could choose.

Re: Claude is the drug, Cursor is the dealer

#57

Post by verdverm »

damon_c wrote: post #33
empath75 wrote: post #3

I do a ridiculous amount of dumb shit with cursor without paying extra for it and I can't be the only one. There is just no way they will ever make a profit with their current all-you-can-eat model. Like there have been times I have just copy and pasted code into a cursor window for the AI to add when I could have just pasted it myself just because it makes the context easier to deal with. However, they will eventual…

You are not the only one. "Revert the changes to ..." 4 zillion tokens... 10 seconds... Instead of > git checkout just to keep Cursor in the loop. I assume I have probably eaten up my $20/month in tokens just on stuff like that.

At least in Copilot, the revert changes is more like undo/redo of a series of changes. Often I want to keep all of the changes except for the most recent one

git checkout would destroy this (and "corrupts" the Copilot session state)

Re: Claude is the drug, Cursor is the dealer

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Post by andrewstuart »

Don’t have a team with one AI service on it ….. have a team with three.

You’re crazy to only use one AI service if you’re doing serious development.

Use the 3 big ones all at the same time.

Ask them all to solve the same problem. Ask them all to evaluate each others solutions. Do this over and over in multiple iterations.

Each model is good at different things.

When you’re not getting a great result with this one, switch to another.

Using one AI is crazy when three together are more powerful.

Re: Claude is the drug, Cursor is the dealer

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Post by tsimionescu »

fph wrote: post #50
p0w3n3d wrote: post #47

Imagine you're studying, for example math, and you have to learn calculus, and you're living in a dormitory with a colleague, who's great at integration calculus, and every time you get another integration function puzzle to solve, this guy (or gal) pops up and says "it's 2*e^2/x+C dx", "it's e^2+C dx", "it's sin(x)/cos(x)+C dx" after 5 milliseconds, even before you fully comprehend the function... I have a question…

Do you also oppose calculators for the same reason?

That's a silly argument, because arithmetic is so simple people pick it up in spite of their use of calculators. Hell, people learn simple arithmetic even if they've never had any schooling (they can tell you that 5 apples and 3 apples makes 8 apples, things like this). And arithmetic with big numbers is so tedious regardless of how well you know it that it's better to just use a calculator, and people have always done this (before digital calculators you had an abacus, multiplication tables, and many other similar instruments).

Calculus or programming or advanced algebra etc are nowhere near the same difficulty, and the same rules don't apply.

Re: Claude is the drug, Cursor is the dealer

#60

Post by Therenas »

ebiester wrote: post #19

Everyone is fighting for their view of the world right now and for those of us who do not have any investment in the success of one of the models, it feels like pure speculation at this point. I don't think there's a human on this planet who can even predict the state of the industry in 3 years. In my entire time in the industry, I have always felt like I had a good line of sight three years away. Even when the iphon…

This isn‘t your main point, but the iPhone absolutely was the biggest revolution since the Internet. The world before it is wholly different to the world after it. AI looks to have a similar impact, but just like the iPhone it‘ll be a few years before everyone realizes the world has changed.
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