I'm dreading the day I discover a new "band" I'm totally into only to discover it's entirely AI.
Hope your favorite new band is not "The Velvet Sundown"
Eleven Music
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Re: Eleven Music
#92I'm a musician
I haven't used the elevnlabs one, but I've checked out suno and udio, and to be honest the tech is amazing. But like with a lot of genai images, the current music models have the same smell to it.
These models can def be used to crank out commercially sounding music, but I have yet to hear any output that sounds fresh and exciting. If your goal is to create bro country, these models are a god-send.
With that said, I do believe that musicians will start to create music with these tools as aid. I've tried to use them for generating samples and ideas, and they do work well enough.
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#93OT: Has anyone tried the opposite - ask AI to listen to music and determine the notes or chords being played? Or watch someone playing an instrument and give a textual output of what notes/chords they are playing.
I use https://moises.ai/ multiple times a week for practicing / figuring out chords being played. For the notes (say in a guitar riff), I dont know if such a thing exists
Re: Eleven Music
#94I'm a musician I haven't used the elevnlabs one, but I've checked out suno and udio, and to be honest the tech is amazing. But like with a lot of genai images, the current music models have the same smell to it. These models can def be used to crank out commercially sounding music, but I have yet to hear any output that sounds fresh and exciting. If your goal is to create bro country, these models are a god-send. Wit…
>With that said, I do believe that musicians will start to create music with these tools as aid.
The more tech advances the cooler it is to bury your head in the sand. Studying by paper & candlelight has never been more of a flex.
Unless you're talking about EDM people and those adjacent. Not that they're not "real musicians" but they're much more about tech and gadgets so I can see them using it more.
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#95Having a machine-learning algorithm crank out generic music seems like peak dystopia to me
Is it more or less dystopia than an army of musicians trying to eke a living out of creating stuff like this ( https://www.chosic.com/free-music/presentation/ ) to go behind your company's PowerPoint about how its Q3 woodchip sales didn't quite exceed expectations? Maybe the fundamental issue is that this shouldn't compete with a human picking up a guitar and having fun with it, and the only reason it does is because…
Why does a powerpoint about woodchip sales need music? Also, I don't see how anyone is making a living on the royalty-free music you linked, unless there's some business model I'm not understanding.
Re: Eleven Music
#96If you consider that Entertainment gives the viewer what they want, and art intends to challenge, none of what's created here is "art". It doesn't push boundaries, create new genres, or satisfy an uncomfortable curiosity. The tech here is fantastic. I love that such things are possible now and they're an exciting frontier in creation. It's very dystopian to feel that the robots are making generic human-music with ind…
The fact that these models have so many people irritated like there's sand in their pants is enough proof that they're pushing boundaries and making some uncomfortable.
Yes, because the people pushing the boundaries do not understand the value of the thing they are trying to commoditize. If they did, they wouldn't be trying to commoditize it. There is a pervasive attitude among technologists that they can improve things they don't understand through technological efficiency. They are wrong in this case and getting appropriate pushback.
Personally, music is sacred for me so making money is not a part of my process. I am not worried about job loss. But I am worried about the cultural malaise that emerges from the natural passivity of industrial scale consumerism.
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#97I really hope we move on from these boil-the-ocean models. I want something more collaborative and even iterative. I was having a conversation with a former bandmate. He was talking about a bunch of songs he is working on. He can play guitar, a bit of bass and can sing. That leaves drums. He wants a model where he can upload a demo and it either returns a stem for a drum track or just combines his demo with some drum…
Suno can already do that
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#99OT: Has anyone tried the opposite - ask AI to listen to music and determine the notes or chords being played? Or watch someone playing an instrument and give a textual output of what notes/chords they are playing.
I use https://moises.ai/ multiple times a week for practicing / figuring out chords being played. For the notes (say in a guitar riff), I dont know if such a thing exists
Being able to isolate instruments, if it works well, is already a pretty big achievement.
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
Framings require creators; they don't arise spontaneously. Someone could turn a urinal factory into art, but art doesn't validate itself. Belief alone in artistic essentialism doesn’t make it so.
That's such a great pile of bullcrap, you could frame it and hang it up in a museum! The point I'm making is that a unique framing only results in a single piece of worthwhile conceptual art. You can't have an infinite factory of ducamp's fountain. What makes the piece worthwhile is that it was an original idea. Conceptual art is different from decorational art in this sense. The AI music is a largely a homogenous sy…
I don't disagree that being novel has it's place in framing art, and I still believe that a Fountain Factory could certainly be framed as art.
To your other point, sorry, but artistic/aesthetic essentialism hasn't been serious position for at least a hundred years.
As long as there is a perceiver, there is a frame.
The idea that nature is intrinsically beautiful is a frame. It's fine to hold that but it shouldn't be confused with not having a frame.