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Re: Eleven Music

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Post by moritzwarhier »

two-sandwich wrote: post #9

If you consider that Entertainment gives the viewer what they want, and art intends to challenge, none of what's created here is "art". It doesn't push boundaries, create new genres, or satisfy an uncomfortable curiosity. The tech here is fantastic. I love that such things are possible now and they're an exciting frontier in creation. It's very dystopian to feel that the robots are making generic human-music with ind…

> Entertainment gives the viewer what they want, and art intends to challenge

This is a fruitless and snobby dichotomy that was attempted so many times in human history, and it makes no sense.

There will always be art made for success and/or money, but drawing a line is futile.

Händel used to be a bit like a pop musician.

And intellectual snobbishness or noble ideas do not make art more valuable.

A kid singing Wonderwall can be art, too. As can be a depressed person recording experimental field sounds.

Feel free to call art bad, but assuming an obvious and clear separation between art and entertainment is the exact opposite of the spirit that enables people to make or appreciate art, in whatever form, culture or shape.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by stillpointlab »

I really hope we move on from these boil-the-ocean models. I want something more collaborative and even iterative.

I was having a conversation with a former bandmate. He was talking about a bunch of songs he is working on. He can play guitar, a bit of bass and can sing. That leaves drums. He wants a model where he can upload a demo and it either returns a stem for a drum track or just combines his demo with some drums.

Right now these models are more like slot machines than tools. If you have the money and the time/patience, perhaps you can do something with it. But I am looking forward to when we start getting collaborative, interactive and iterative models.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by shadowgovt »

bigbuppo wrote: post #18

Well, they've done it boys, they've made creative fulfillment obsolete. They've DISRUPTED the concept of going to big music festivals, and small cozy shows. Just plug your ear holes with the AI slop bucket's pure beeps and boops and never have to worry again about paying artists for music. You can pay a techbro instead. This is like the dotcom era of where every idiotic idea that ended with, "but on the internet", wo…

There isn't any relationship whatsoever between a concert or music festival and this tech. Two entirely different experiences.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by fruitworks »

ronsor wrote: post #41
two-sandwich wrote: post #9

If you consider that Entertainment gives the viewer what they want, and art intends to challenge, none of what's created here is "art". It doesn't push boundaries, create new genres, or satisfy an uncomfortable curiosity. The tech here is fantastic. I love that such things are possible now and they're an exciting frontier in creation. It's very dystopian to feel that the robots are making generic human-music with ind…

The fact that these models have so many people irritated like there's sand in their pants is enough proof that they're pushing boundaries and making some uncomfortable.

the boundaries of unemployment perhaps

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by kingstnap »

bix6 wrote: post #19
paxys wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tech is tech. What you create with the tech can be art.

These feels different than experimenting with a new synth or something though. It’s just feeding a sentence to the model.

I draw a very sharp line: curating the outputs and crafting the sentence is enough to make it art. If neither of those happen, it's just slop.

It's actually a bit like photography. A bunch of randomly taken pictures piled together is not art. It needs to be done with purpose and refinement.

Basically, in my own opinion, art ≠ a function of technical difficulty.

Art = Curation, Refinement, and Taste

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by sys32768 »

I think AI will spark a revival in "organic" human culture and art, with people flocking to see real musicians play real instruments, and real artists using real materials.

It will probably also extinguish quite a few mad musicians and mediocre artists.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by sekai »

two-sandwich wrote: post #9

If you consider that Entertainment gives the viewer what they want, and art intends to challenge, none of what's created here is "art". It doesn't push boundaries, create new genres, or satisfy an uncomfortable curiosity. The tech here is fantastic. I love that such things are possible now and they're an exciting frontier in creation. It's very dystopian to feel that the robots are making generic human-music with ind…

> and art intends to challenge, none of what's created here is "art". It doesn't push boundaries, create new genres, or satisfy an uncomfortable curiosity.

Art is, above all, subjective.

> It's very dystopian to feel that the robots are making generic human-music with indescribably lifeless properties.

Painters said the same thing about the camera. Photographers said the same thing about Photoshop.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by krapp »

feoren wrote: post #36

We imagined a utopian future where robots did our menial work so we were free to be creative. Instead we got a dystopian future where we do more and more menial work so our robots can poorly emulate creativity. It's not too late to turn it around, but that requires recognizing the humanity of 99.9% of people, and the 0.1% who own everything would rather create their own synthetic (subservient) humans than recognize t…

They said the same thing about automation when the Industrial Revolution began a century or so ago. That the common worker would be liberated from the drudgery of labor and be free for creative and intellectual pursuits. The people who protested were ridiculed as Luddites who simply feared technology and progress.

Of course, because automation serves the interests of capital (being created by, and invested in, by the capitalist class,) the end result was just that workers worked more, and more often, and got paid less, and the capitalist class captured the extra value. The Luddites were right about everything.

I don't know why people expect the automation of intellect and creativity to be any different. Working at a keyboard instead of on a factory floor doesn't exempt you from the incentives of capitalism.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by fruitworks »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #29
two-sandwich wrote: post #9

If you consider that Entertainment gives the viewer what they want, and art intends to challenge, none of what's created here is "art". It doesn't push boundaries, create new genres, or satisfy an uncomfortable curiosity. The tech here is fantastic. I love that such things are possible now and they're an exciting frontier in creation. It's very dystopian to feel that the robots are making generic human-music with ind…

Art is a framing device largely independent of the content. It's how we get Fountain[1], Piss Christ[2], Comedian[3], Mother![4], 4’33”[5], and Seedbed[6] to name a few among countless others. To claim that AI content is incapable of being framed as art is nonsense when we have example after example of the diversity of what art can be. Let's remember, bad art is still art. 1. Marcel Duchamp. 1917 2. Andres Serrano. 1…

If that was true, then the development of a new urinal factory would have the same impact on art as the development of a new AI art models.

The framing is dependent on the content

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