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Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

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Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

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post #35

"More than half of Helsinki’s streets now have speed limits of 30 km/h." This is the only secret. People over speeding is what kills.

Drivers are actually calm in Helsinki, not constantly honking and slowly rolling into you in the pedestrian crossing either.

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

#42

> More than half of Helsinki’s streets now have speed limits of 30 km/h. Fifty years ago, the majority were limited to 50 km/h. So they hurt quality of life by making it more painful to get anywhere, taking time away from everyone’s lives. You can achieve no traffic deaths by slowing everyone to a crawl. That doesn’t make it useful or good. The goal should be fast travel times and easy driving while also still reduci…

Have you considered there are alternative modes of transportation other than personal vehicles? Some of them are even - gasp - public transportation, and quite efficient at what you want (fast travel).

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

#45
post #12

> More than half of Helsinki’s streets now have speed limits of 30 km/h. Fifty years ago, the majority were limited to 50 km/h. So they hurt quality of life by making it more painful to get anywhere, taking time away from everyone’s lives. You can achieve no traffic deaths by slowing everyone to a crawl. That doesn’t make it useful or good. The goal should be fast travel times and easy driving while also still reduci…

Your argument is really "I'd rather people die then drive through your city slower."????

I think the argument "I'd rather have a higher risk of dying than do this other unpleasant thing".

Which to be fair everyone does all the time (driving habits, eating habits, etc).

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

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post #12

> More than half of Helsinki’s streets now have speed limits of 30 km/h. Fifty years ago, the majority were limited to 50 km/h. So they hurt quality of life by making it more painful to get anywhere, taking time away from everyone’s lives. You can achieve no traffic deaths by slowing everyone to a crawl. That doesn’t make it useful or good. The goal should be fast travel times and easy driving while also still reduci…

Your argument is really "I'd rather people die then drive through your city slower."????

You could ban cars entirely. Why wouldn't you? Would you rather people die than drive cars at all?

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the parent here; I'm just saying your rebuttal is a strawman.

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

#49

Someone has to put a chart near it, describing the decline in driving in the city. When you're limited to 30kmh, you might as well get a scooter...

Yes that's probably the point. Cars kill many more people than scooters.

Not per mile driven.

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

#50
post #40
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For dumb Americans like me - that 18.641 miles/hr.

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Making drivers miserable is part of the intention, they want people to drive less because it's annoying as hell for everyone else.
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