Someone has to put a chart near it, describing the decline in driving in the city. When you're limited to 30kmh, you might as well get a scooter...
Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year
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Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year
#22Don't let anyone tell you that better things aren't possible
Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year
#23Someone has to put a chart near it, describing the decline in driving in the city. When you're limited to 30kmh, you might as well get a scooter...
https://www.tomtom.com/traffic-index/ranking/ 30 km/h is equal to 20 min/10km, 50 km/h is 12 min/10km.
So Helsinki city center is at 21km/h travel speeds, metro area at 31km/h. A speed limit of 30 km/h doesn't really affect these travel times much.
I can't find 2023 data to compare, however by other data on the net these are very common average speeds for any city in Europe even those with plenty of 50 km/h speed limits.
If more people take up public transport, bikes or scooters in fear of an average travel speed reduction of 1-2 km/h - that is a total win for everyone involved including drivers.
Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year
#24Someone has to put a chart near it, describing the decline in driving in the city. When you're limited to 30kmh, you might as well get a scooter...
A 30 km/h limit and decline in driving means zero people have to die. If enforcing scooters meant zero people have to die, I'm not sure what the objection is, truly.
Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year
#25Someone has to put a chart near it, describing the decline in driving in the city. When you're limited to 30kmh, you might as well get a scooter...
Yes that's probably the point. Cars kill many more people than scooters.
Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year
#26Great news, good on them. Not only does this make their lives better and safer, but it can help many other cities. Sometimes just knowing that something is possible is enough for people to achieve it.
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#27The emergency service is just that good now. The police murder crime stats go down too while the stabbings go up.
Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year
#28As Hank Green said…”no one tells you when you don’t die.”
There’s several people walking around Helsinki right now who would not be had they not made safety improvements…we just don’t know who they are.
Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year
#29Someone has to put a chart near it, describing the decline in driving in the city. When you're limited to 30kmh, you might as well get a scooter...
A 30 km/h limit and decline in driving means zero people have to die. If enforcing scooters meant zero people have to die, I'm not sure what the objection is, truly.
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Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year
#30Don't let anyone tell you that better things aren't possible
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