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We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Post by Den_VR »

shawabawa3 wrote: post #359
Den_VR wrote: post #302

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So, who are you going to go drinking with at the park? And in reverse, you’re visiting the park and see someone there drinking. What’s your impression?

This is very cultural In London on sunny days the park is 100% rammed with people sitting in circles on the grass drinking, from like noon to sunset

For sure. As others mentioned some locals have gone so far as to make drinking in public illegal.

Now in your example, suppose you’re a lonely stranger. Do you just nudge in on a circle with your beer and “Hi I’m Shawa” ?

Your answer may be yes, but in other cultures that’s going to get the police called, or maybe end in a stabbing. Which is why society is in the state it’s in

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Post by galangalalgol »

simianparrot wrote: post #372
galangalalgol wrote: post #212

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I tried 20/4 with 90 minutes every other day. It got me from obese to merely overweight, but stuck there. My doc told me to stop with the IF, that while it worked, it wasn't ideal nutritionally, and had me eat healthy meals three times a day with a high protein snack. Weight still isn't quite into my healthy range, but I feel way better and all my numbers are better.

20/4 is way too extreme, and I'd never recommend it. In that case one would probably have better luck with fasting one or two days a week, but that would have to be under supervision of a professional. The reason 16/8 has become the "baseline" for IF is that it's enough time for 3 proper meals a day, and maybe even a snack in between if you're active. It's what works the best for most people, but of course outliers a…

Yeah 16/8 isn't even an effort because I like my breakfast late. But I'm double fast twitch so my chosen form of cardio is weights. I keep it above 90% max for about 90min three times weekly, but I need the off days for recovery. Happy where I am, numbers are good, wife likes how I look, good enough for me. I put on both fat and muscle easy so being 5% above max healthy weight while eating right amd lifting probably isn't that far out of whack.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Post by HPsquared »

RugnirViking wrote: post #386
HPsquared wrote: post #300

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Literally illegal in many places. Edit: including much of Europe.

where is it illegal in Europe? I've not encountered this yet and I've lived here my whole life. It's always struck me as a weird puritanical American thing Looked online and found maps suggesting eastern Europe has more laws relating to it, although many of them in practice don't apply

Nordics, Eastern parts (except Czechia), even many parts of the UK have byelaws (e.g. Glasgow). Illegal in Russia and Ukraine too.

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Post by dfxm12 »

bapak wrote: post #369
socalgal2 wrote: post #353

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This doesn't match my experience. In fact one thing I noticed living in Japan is how much more willing people are to spend money to meet up. Lots of events costs 3000-7000 yen. Clubs and bar have a cover charge. People will organize parties where they rent a bar and tell their friends it's 4000 yen each (about $27 currently but was closer to $40) in the past. They'll even have house parties and tell everyone to pitch…

> they still go out It's vastly cheaper to go out in Japan, even if there are more expensive options. Not many cheap hangout options in a lot of places.

This is more a function of dense population centers. Having lived in many places, I went out more in the denser areas. There are more options and they are all up and down the price spectrum.

In sparse areas, going to the same few options over and over again isn't fun, and they tend to be more expensive, maybe due to lack of competition.

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

abeppu wrote: post #322
Aurornis wrote: post #250

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I go out and do different activities that involve socialization. There are more people than ever going to the climbing gyms, meeting at the hiking trailhead, hanging out in the ski lift lines, and so on. All of the social places I’ve been going and activities I’ve been doing since a teenager are more crowded than ever, at a rate far faster than the local population growth. Many of the people doing these activities di…

You're basically saying that people who aren't social mistakenly view the rest of the world as not social because of their specific experience, but doesn't that effect also cut the other way? You're seeing people being social because you're going to those situations. But there are time use surveys etc which provide a quantitative view of a lot of people. Because they're voluntary, they can't be a perfect representati…

>from 43.5 percent to 48.7 percent, representing an increase of over 5 percentage points.

Honestly not that big of a change.

Insofar as people online talk about a big shift towards loneliness, I suspect that Aurornis is correct that self-selection has a lot to do with it.

I wonder if that small change in the average is masking a larger change in the variance. Perhaps we have more hypersocial people and more hyposocial people.

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Post by eboynyc32 »

dv_dt wrote: post #257
stdvit wrote: post #97

> Even in a world brimming with easy distractions—TikTok, Pornhub, Candy Crush, Sudoku—people still manage to meet for drinks, work out at the gym, go on dates, muddle through real life. They actually don't. Everything from dating and fitness to manufacturing and politics is in decline in activities, and more so in effect and understanding. You can't convince (enough) people anymore that it is even important as many…

Though it's popularized to blame social media and phones, economics should not be overlooked. Pay for young generations is lagging and restaurants and bar prices are super high. Public spaces for informal gatherings has shrunk - eg fewer malls

People have plopping themselves in front of a tv for 100 years. Now you can talk to your tv and it talks back.

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Post by ants_everywhere »

djeastm wrote: post #309
ants_everywhere wrote: post #197

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It's the one LLM we know of that is specifically trained to be opposed to democracy. Can you say more about why that doesn't concern you?

I would throw Grok in there, too, but I suppose that might get us into a political discussion...

I don't know anything about Grok, but AFAIK they have different problems. Grok lacks alignment to push back against users asking for bad things, like advocating for hurting people.

But Deepseek is trained to manipulate the user into wanting bad things like hurting people.

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Post by ane »

sdsd wrote: post #278
handwarmers wrote: post #115

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yeah i get the if monkeySee(psychology) then monkeyDo(replicationCrisis); monkeyFeelSmart() algo. it's still a good article :)

git diff your_argument my_response - monkeyFeelSmart(); + monkeyFeelSafe(); People feel hurt and lied to after decades of diligently studying a curriculum who's foundations turned out to be completely fake. Our mental garden must be protected from pests. Some pests even imitate benign bugs like ladybugs, in order to get in. Imagine if tomorrow, it was announced that atoms and gravity don't exist, the motion of heaven…

Could you elaborate on the subject of the foundations of a curriculum (of what?) being entirely fake? That's a bold statement to make!

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Post by nullc »

kylecazar wrote: post #159

AI is incapable of solving loneliness. It's a biological signal we have (thanks to evolution) to seek social connections with other humans , for things like reproduction and survival. Mentally healthy people will never be less lonely as long as they know they are talking to a model. All it can offer is a distraction and an illusion, because it has no humanity. Note: I don't even think dogs solve loneliness. They can…

Why would evolution have any reason to create a signal detector that isn't adequately triggered by an inflatable doll or a sports ball with a facelike handprint on it?
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