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Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by johnisgood »

zwnow wrote: post #3
Bluestein wrote: post #2

It's like love: "I will love you forever".-

What people don't realize is that love isn't just having butterflies in your stomach all the time. Love changes over time, and saying I will love you forever is reasonable if sincere. I love all of my friends and I will love them forever. If I say that to my SO I mean it, even if we separate. People just want the initial rush of love until the chemicals fade.

That is true. Love, to me, is commitment. We no longer feel that rush we felt in the beginning. Things may be calm, which people mistake for boredom, which they mistake for doing something wrong or something is being wrong. People tend to move on after the "honeymoon phase", and keep repeating it ad infinitum. I have exes. I do not hate them, we never separated on bad terms. I do not love them romantically, however. I love my current girlfriend and I am committed to her. I have no intentions giving it up. That said, one must not confuse love with endurance. You cannot just keep on forgiving, always hoping for the best next time. You need to get out (ideally peacefully) after a while. I learned my lesson. In any case, I will continue trying to work things out with my current girlfriend, and we are doing fine, even though we have a lot of baggage and things are difficult sometimes. Of course there are some deal-breakers that I did not care about with one of my exes, I kept on forgiving even after she has cheated on me. It is not something I should have done, yet I did it, because I confused love with endurance.

Thoughts? If you want me to, I can elaborate on what I really mean, but I hope it was understandable enough.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

#82

Post by conartist6 »

atonse wrote: post #61
conartist6 wrote: post #32

"I firmly believe that AI will not replace developers, but a developer using AI will replace a developer who does not." Ugh, anyone who says that and really believes it can no longer see common sense through the hype goggles. It's just stupid and completely 100% wrong, like saying all musicians will use autotune in the future because it makes the music better. It's the same as betting that there will be no new invent…

I disagree. While there are developers that truly build new technology and invent novel solutions, the overwhelming majority of developers who are paid for their work daily do pretty mundane and boring software development. They are implementing business logic, building forms, building tables, etc. And AI already excels at building those sorts of things faster and with cleaner code. I’ve never once seen a model gener…

I'm one working on novel tech, without AI. I've never been doing more valuable work or been more in command of my craft.

Yet the blanket statement is that I will fail and be replaced, and in fact that people like me don't exist!

So heck yeah I'll come clap back on that.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by aeon_ai »

The bait-and-switch critique is valid, but the real pragmatic issue is that AI companies are discovering their unit economics don't support flat-rate pricing for compute-intensive services. Try running AWS on a Netflix subscription model.

The transparency problem compounds this. The sustainable path forward likely involves either much more transparent/clear usage-based pricing or significantly higher flat rates that actually cover heavy usage.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by n4r9 »

aeon_ai wrote: post #69
conartist6 wrote: post #32

"I firmly believe that AI will not replace developers, but a developer using AI will replace a developer who does not." Ugh, anyone who says that and really believes it can no longer see common sense through the hype goggles. It's just stupid and completely 100% wrong, like saying all musicians will use autotune in the future because it makes the music better. It's the same as betting that there will be no new invent…

AI isn't a stylistic preference or minor enhancement, but cognitive augmentation that allows developers to navigate complexity at scales human cognition wasn't designed for. Just as the developer who refused to adopt version control, IDEs, or Stack Overflow eventually became unemployable , those who reject tools that fundamentally expand their problem-solving capacity will find themselves unable to compete with those…

This may not be the strong argument you think it is. There are plenty of highly productive senior developers who either don't use IDEs or SO or use them very minimally. Even version control, if they're working alone. Smart devs will find out how to be virtually as productive in a terminal as they would be with an IDE. Potentially more productive when solving edge case issues with processes that IDEs abstract

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by danskeren »

epistasis wrote: post #6

I'm trying to cancel my Claude plan right now, because mid-research I got hit with a one hour time out for the first time, and I realized just how little I need the "expensive" research stuff and just want basic language refinement and some basic augmented knowledge search to get more terms to search the web. And all that basic stuff gets cutoff when you hit some invisible barrier that you have no way of controlling…

Claude definitely engage in some shady and illegal behavior. I wanted to see what the annual plan would cost as it was just displaying €170+VAT, and when I clicked the upgrade button to find out (I checked everywhere on the page) then I was automatically subscribed without any confirmation and without ever seeing the final price before the transaction was completed. Turns out that price was €206.50. Getting refunded was also a pain in the ass.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by jennyholzer »

conartist6 wrote: post #82
atonse wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. While there are developers that truly build new technology and invent novel solutions, the overwhelming majority of developers who are paid for their work daily do pretty mundane and boring software development. They are implementing business logic, building forms, building tables, etc. And AI already excels at building those sorts of things faster and with cleaner code. I’ve never once seen a model gener…

I'm one working on novel tech, without AI. I've never been doing more valuable work or been more in command of my craft. Yet the blanket statement is that I will fail and be replaced, and in fact that people like me don't exist! So heck yeah I'll come clap back on that.

Continuing to develop my craft in the 4th straight year of numbskulls claiming that Chat GPT is the end of history has made me extraordinarily confident in my ability to secure lucrative developer work for the rest of my life.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by grim_io »

No need to gaslight us into this "unlimited" nonsense claim. It was not communicated as unlimited. When all is said and done, the Claude subscription is still an incredible value compared to the alternatives. It changes nothing for my use case.
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