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‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by fahhem »

dismalaf wrote: post #559
crystal_revenge wrote: post #508

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> Hamas has publicly stated that more civilian deaths helps their cause The fact that Israel has no problem creating these civilian deaths is part of the problem. If you claim "human shields" you lose all credibly when you shoot nonetheless. It genuinely horrifying that you accept "well they made us kill all those kids". This would be easy to see if you accepted the Palestinian people as, well, people . > Again, what…

> stop holding a people in a perpetual refugee camp and you might be surprised and how much less they fight you Israel completely pulled out of Gaza for nearly 20 years. Allowed them work permits in Israel, didn't control the border with Egypt, etc... Then October 7th happened...

Israel didn't pull out of Gaza, it simply moved its people to the border and continued its subjugation. They bombed Gaza's airport and implemented a land and sea blockade where they controlled everything that went in or out (to the point where they put the Palestinians on a diet with calorie counting at one point). That's not pulling out.

The border with Egypt was controlled indirectly, Egypt is a puppet state of the US. For a moment it wasn't and suddenly they got a military coup and nobody stopped them in the name of democracy...

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Post by flyinglizard »

cauefcr wrote: post #526
mjevans wrote: post #423

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Think about it from a logical perspective. Israel's real enemy won't stop and won't surrender until that country and it's people don't exist. They have taken the innocent civilian's of Gaza / Palistine / whatever you want to call the area hostage. They are also so ingrained into the region that resources are literally siphoned from humanitarian sites like hospitals into deep tunnels beneath; as just one example of re…

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Calling Jews “colonizers” of their historical homeland is ridiculous, not to mention that about half of Israeli Jews fled there from Arab countries, not from Europe.

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Post by dismalaf »

coffeeboy27 wrote: post #578
dismalaf wrote: post #562

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If it's so obvious give your alternative.

Not the OP but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say not bombing civilians, in general, is a path exploring.

Ok. So you stop bombing. How do you get the hostages back? Do you just abandon them?

You still answered with a negative, not a real answer.

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Post by scotty79 »

waterlaw wrote: post #453
subpixel wrote: post #416

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Those who wield power in Israel have calculated that they can do whatever they want at this moment and that they will enjoy functional impunity. I repudiate what they are doing, but I do not disagree with their calculation. I can imagine no scenario where any foreign power tries to actually stop them.

There are numerous clips of Rabbis openly promoting the extermination of Palestinians. They use the story of Amalek from the Torah. One of the Rabbis I watched recently said "when you kill the first child it breaks your heart [...] then you start to enjoy it." _Many_ Rabbis are demanding that animals, children, women and unarmed males be "erased." IDF soldiers are bragging about killing and raping civilians on social…

So they basically caught up with the rhetoric of the other side of the conflict?

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ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #512

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> You are operating until a false premise that Palestinians/Hamas are some sort of children and bear no responsibility for anything at all. Where in reality, the war could have been over in 5 minutes if they released the hostages at any time during the past 3 years. It still can be over in 5 minutes if they choose to do that. But no, they will put as many of their own people in harm's way as necessary to get to the w…

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Post by dubyah »

jahewson wrote: post #520
dubyah wrote: post #461

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There's a group signed letter by 99 American volunteer medical professionals stating: Specifically, every one of us who worked in an emergency, intensive care, or surgical setting treated pre-teen children who were shot in the head or chest on a regular or even a daily basis. https://www.gazahealthcareletters.org/usa-letter-oct-2-2024

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They're medical professionals. Not IDF soldiers. [1]

65 doctors, many of whom signed the letter previously mentioned, also signed an opinion essay on the NY Times. There are CT scans in the article. [2]

The NY Times Opinion editor even chimed in to state they saw corroborating said images, consulted independent experts to attest the credibility of said images, and ultimately decided the 40+ photos & videos of children with gunshots to the head and neck were too horrific for publication.[3]

[1] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2025/4/16/israeli-so... [2] https://archive.is/w8q7a [3] https://archive.is/1fkOp

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Post by jiggawatts »

dubyah wrote: post #461
jiggawatts wrote: post #265

Something to keep in mind when listening to "first hand accounts" like this is that even if they're honest statements, everybody is subject to the fog of war and skewed statistics. An example that came up a few months ago was a surgeon in a Gaza hospital making the honest statement to BBC journalists that he had seen dozens of children coming into the hospital near death with a "single shot" to a vital organ. He clai…

There's a group signed letter by 99 American volunteer medical professionals stating: Specifically, every one of us who worked in an emergency, intensive care, or surgical setting treated pre-teen children who were shot in the head or chest on a regular or even a daily basis. https://www.gazahealthcareletters.org/usa-letter-oct-2-2024

That’s precisely the letter I was referring to.

They’re not in the war zone taking an unbiased sample.

They’re in a hospital receiving critical but patients after triage

Inherently, their statistical sample of war injuries is biased. It’s a textbook example of the survivorship statical bias!

This is all I’m trying to say: not that their observations are false or that children aren’t being shot, but that they’re not in a position to draw accurate conclusions about what goes on outside the walls of their hospitals based on information they receive inside its walls. They certainly can’t draw conclusions about the motivations of IDF soldiers from the information available to them.

This logic applies to both sides, of course, and to all similar scenarios.

A random example are the Russian claims of having destroyed ‘X’ instances of ‘Y’ weapons system when Ukraine got less than ‘X’ delivered. The reason is simple — they’re not lying — they just counted the decoys they also blew up!

It’s war. It’s messy. Information is hard to interpret.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

jahewson wrote: post #493
insane_dreamer wrote: post #384

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Nonsense. UN peacekeepers are observers deployed with the consent of both parties. They are not sent into active combat zones. There is literally a genocide in Sudan right now with 25 million in extreme hunger. At least half a million children are dead. Yet we hear hardly any mention of it.

Sudan is in the news literally every day.

But yeah, sadly, the world has never cared about Africa and the many who die there.

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Post by Jensson »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #557
zetazzed wrote: post #220

I see an increasing number of politicians taking the position: "I supported Israel's government's actions when they first attacked, given the goals of destroying Hamas' leadership and freeing hostages, but now that it has turned into a brutal siege with mass civilian casualties on a horrific scale, I'm strongly against their actions." E.g. Macron, Angus King, and many people I know personally. And I think we need to…

Israel has been an apartheid state for decades. This has nothing to do with Hamas. Anyone who is "changing their mind" now, hasn't - it's merely no longer socially acceptable to support naked indiscriminate brutality.

> Israel has been an apartheid state for decades

Around 20% of Israelis are Muslims and they have full rights and get to vote, so no its not an apartheid state.

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Post by jiggawatts »

dubyah wrote: post #586
jahewson wrote: post #520

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They're medical professionals. Not IDF soldiers. [1] 65 doctors, many of whom signed the letter previously mentioned, also signed an opinion essay on the NY Times. There are CT scans in the article. [2] The NY Times Opinion editor even chimed in to state they saw corroborating said images, consulted independent experts to attest the credibility of said images, and ultimately decided the 40+ photos & videos of childre…

Note that my original argument isn’t that children weren’t being shot — they clearly are — I’m saying that the doctors were making the claim that they were being “sniped” by “single shots”. The basis for the claim was that they saw few if any kids with multiple gunshot wounds.

Yes… because those kids died and hence there is no point taking them to a hospital. They go to a morgue.

They’re not lying about the facts, probably, I’m just saying that their facts don’t support their conclusions.

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