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Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by const_cast »

nradov wrote: post #184
jodrellblank wrote: post #168

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The best part about living under the Sword of Damocles is that when it falls on someone else I can lecture them about how they deserved it. I can't imagine it would ever fall on me, because I don't deserve it. > " you’re acting irresponsibly " If things were arranged so that you didn't need the savings to cover the constant worry of being fired, then not having the savings wouldn't be acting irresponsibly. Americans…

So what. People want a lot of things. Employers aren't responsible for providing those things.

Okay. Why not? This isn't an argument. You aren't making any argument.

Because, to me, this sounds good. Okay, so let's do it. Seems pretty simple and straightforward.

I mean, I want a 401K. Employers should provide that. Okay, then let's do that. They... aren't responsible? Don't we make the laws? Let's just force them to be responsible. Problem solved. I'm happy, you're happy, everyone is happy.

Do you, like, aspire to be exploited? Why are you advocating against your own best interests? Is this selflessness, or some strange form of self-harm I haven't been exposed to?

Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by hdjdi »

Sammi wrote: post #221
baq wrote: post #103

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Don’t do that then. Work on 90% with bursts of 130%. Don’t work on 120% all the time because it’ll be assumed you’ve gotten lazy when you just need to slow down.

Those percentages are all too high for a normal salery.

The definition of “100%” varies.

In U.S. even though a full-time job is “40 hours”, many in non-government jobs put in more. The “120%” spoken of would be 48, so let’s say roughly 2 extra hours a day, so 7:30-18:30 with an hour lunch. Tech startups in my experience are usually 44-46 hours for low-mid IC dev or more if higher or any lead/manager responsibilities. Some dev/IT managers may be on-call most of the week. But some people literally are working 40 hours/week.

Other countries “100%” hours/week are roughly: Europe 35-40, Eastern Europe ~40, India 45-55, China 45-50, Africa 40-50.

And similar applies for dev/IT startups and management.

Some work > 100 hours week on average, but I think that’s difficult to do in dev/IT for more than a month at a time without burnout, even if you just keep hitting a button over and over.

Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by yallpendantools »

sneak wrote: post #27
StrLght wrote: post #5

I don't feel like I've been Komooted. There are alternative apps that I'll switch to. However, it really sucks for employees. I know a guy who joined Komoot a few weeks before the sale, and who was among 80% fired right after the sale finalised. They've been negotiating the terms of sale and hiring people simultaneously -- that's just insane.

Why is that insane? A job this week is no guarantee, legally or practically, of a job next week. To assume otherwise is foolish and naive. That’s simply not how employment works.

> A job this week is no guarantee, legally or practically, of a job next week.

If this is the case, I'm just gonna sit on my ass this week and take my paycheck. If there is no long term assurance, why should I even try?

Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by aspenmayer »

nine_k wrote: post #209
dragonwriter wrote: post #203

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> It's not like there are good options out there Yes, there are. > USSR showed what state-controlled socialism looks like, and the picture is not pretty. A The USSR and other Leninist-derived regimes showed what one narrow set of models of authoritarian state “socialism” looks like, sure, and its not pretty just like the pure private capitalism that was generally abandoned netween the early and mid 20th century for t…

I'd love to hear about examples. Sweden tried to become more socialist in 1970s-80s, and it did not look pretty. (Then Mr. Palme was shot and killed.) Venezuela... well, does not look like an enticing example either. I would say that socialism as a state-imposed regime does not work, same as communism. BTW communism does work in communes of like-minded individuals, be it a bunch of hippies or a bunch of monks. The ke…

> I'd love to hear about examples.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Cybersyn

> The principal architect of the system was British operations research scientist Stafford Beer, and the system embodied his notions of management cybernetics in industrial management. One of its main objectives was to devolve decision-making power within industrial enterprises to their workforce to develop self-regulation of factories.

> Project Cybersyn was ended with Allende's removal and subsequent death during the 1973 Chilean coup d'état. After the coup, Cybersyn was abandoned and the operations room was destroyed.

Yes, it's that Stafford Beer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_wha...

Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by nradov »

const_cast wrote: post #230
nradov wrote: post #197

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Don't presume to speak for "Europe". It's a big place with a wide diversity of viewpoints. We all lose when employers have a paternalistic relationship with employees. It's better for everyone to keep things strictly transactional.

It's not an equal transaction - it's like a child negotiating with an evil sorcerer. The reality is that you have little to no power or leverage in labor relationships. You may think you do, because it is very valuable to the other party for you to believe as such. But you do not. Things being purely transaction can work when it's a fair transaction. When your life is on the line and the other party is risk fuck-all,…

The reality is that if you equate a typical employer with an "evil sorcerer" you're so disconnected from reality that you have nothing of value to contribute here.

Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by nradov »

const_cast wrote: post #231
nradov wrote: post #184

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So what. People want a lot of things. Employers aren't responsible for providing those things.

Okay. Why not? This isn't an argument. You aren't making any argument. Because, to me, this sounds good. Okay, so let's do it. Seems pretty simple and straightforward. I mean, I want a 401K. Employers should provide that. Okay, then let's do that. They... aren't responsible? Don't we make the laws? Let's just force them to be responsible. Problem solved. I'm happy, you're happy, everyone is happy. Do you, like, aspir…

I aspire to be paid for my labor. Forcing employers to handle things like health insurance and retirement plans is just stupid. It's a waste of resources, detracts from their core mission, and slows down economic growth. I would prefer to handle those things myself without an employer getting involved.

Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by avhception »

piperswe wrote: post #191
avhception wrote: post #117

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And not at home but on your phone, with integrated GPS tracking.

OpenStreetMap doesn't have that. Services downstream from OpenStreetMap, like Komoot, OsmAnd, and Organic Maps do, but OpenStreetMap doesn't have any offline mode or anything (and only has very rudimentary GPS tracking on the website, for centering the map on your general location to make editing easier)

I see OpenStreetMap primarily as the dataset and community, not the website. So OsmAnd is in that same ecosystem for me and qualifies as "OpenStreetMap" in a wider sense of the term. For me, at least.

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Post by oc1 »

MarceColl wrote: post #207
oc1 wrote: post #199

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Boy, please share. I need something depressing to laugh about

Managed to find it again, there you go: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/arnau-ayerbe_met-brian-chesky...

Way more depressing than i thought. If that's what these YC folks are even in public, i want my time back wasted listening to their messages.

Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by izacus »

twixfel wrote: post #157
izacus wrote: post #151

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This is the approach that most workers took in our eastern European countries during socialist era. It was shitty. Pretty much all services were terrible since people just did the minumum. I've noticed US going down this path for a few years now and I can't figure out why in the frigging world would you cheer on towards such horrible society. All the best places I've lived at were great because people cared about the…

There’s nothing wrong with caring about your job and what you do. Just don’t buy into any of the horse shit about missions and so on. The bosses are ruthlessly capitalist so it’s immoral to expect the workers to be any less self interested.

At the end of the day your own life will be miserable if everyone is self interested because of those "bosses".

Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by sneak »

baq wrote: post #225
sneak wrote: post #160

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Yes, absolutely. If you have a family and a mortgage without first having enough savings to support those things through anomalies, you’re acting irresponsibly. Nobody should be expecting their employer (or any second party, really) to be their income stream’s low pass filter. That’s what your savings account is for. If you can’t support your family and mortgage through 6-9 months (minimum) out of savings, you should…

> If you have a family and a mortgage without first having enough savings to support those things through anomalies, you’re acting irresponsibly. Or maybe it’s the collective us acting irresponsibly because how you get young people to start families if it’s irresponsible until biologically too late?

This presupposes the value of families and reproduction, especially those by young people who can’t afford them.
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