Good to have more data points and evidence, but this seems extremely well established by now? Zero tailpipe emissions, drastically removed brake dust, slightly higher tire wear (due to weight), but much better overall than ICE.
I am just excited because the more EVs mean fewer idiots in hot rods running without mufflers.
Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars
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Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars
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What are you doing to your tires that they only last 10k miles? I think that might be a driver error issue, because my EV (a heavier sedan) basically never needed tire replacement barring me running over a screw or something.
Just normal driving, it wasn’t quite so bad on our previous car which was a Nissan Leaf (with 30kWh battery) but our current Kia Niro just has a lot bigger batter (64kWh) and it is a lot heavier I suppose, the tyres just don’t seem to last as long. I’m pretty sure I’m using summer tyres all year round (I live in the UK) this was recommended by the dealer
A friend got hit by this as well and since readjusting his driving style (read: not flying through corners for the fun of it) he gets more (but still not equal) miles on his EV's tires before he needs new ones.
Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars
#84We should obviously ban combustion engine cars, at least starting with cities. I can’t think of a single clearer win for air quality.
We don't actually want to scrap working cars unless they have reached the end of their life or passed an air quality threshold (UK tests every car over 3 years old, every year, called an MOT). Reduce, reuse, recycle etc.
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Popularity has costs, some are waiting in line for 45 minutes to use a fast charger. EV is not for everyone, but those Rivian are nice though. =3
Well given Rivians rank among the worst EVs in the world efficiency-wise, maybe if you care about not spending your life at charging stations, don't buy a Rivian? Or a Tesla for that matter, since Tesla lies about their efficiency numbers and the real-world numbers are middling at best.
EV are meant for people that live in 4'C to 42'C weather, and have excess capacity on their solar installations. Everyone else is getting subsidized by their neighbors paying for excess electrical capacity. =3
Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars
#86An an EV owner, I can testify that the tyre wear more than makes up for the reduction in brake dust. I’ve had to change tyres every 10K miles.
There are three things at play here: - evs have a reputation for fast acceleration, and many drivers use it. More wear. - evs are heavy due to large batteries trying to match ICE range. More wear. - evs often come with low friction tires to improve range, they wear faster The second two issues should gradually go away as battery (and charging) tech improves.
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#87We should obviously ban combustion engine cars, at least starting with cities. I can’t think of a single clearer win for air quality.
Wow. Well, I like that the people that think like this also probably live I places where you are actually driving a coal powered car. Like the clowns in Hawaii that have extra subsidies for EVs… their power comes directly from burning crude oil. I’m an automotive EE, and and the truth about EVs is in a rush to push them out the door, the media and politicians have set the tech back at least a decade by pretending it…
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#88I suppose the same should apply to hybrid cars, which outnumber pure EVs significantly [1]. The effect comes from converting the kinetic energy back to the battery charge via generation instead of wasting it via friction, which is the whole point of hybrids. [1]: https://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/how-many-electric...
Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars
#89We should obviously ban combustion engine cars, at least starting with cities. I can’t think of a single clearer win for air quality.
If all of us renters were forced to convert to electric there’d never be an open charger in any city again for the next five years, because no landlord will voluntarily afford that cost, and no municipal region can pass a ballot measure to afford that cost. California’s impending ban of combustion car sales hinges wholly on a magical DC-charging network that doesn’t exist in U.S. cities yet (i.e. at parking meters),…
Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars
#90We should obviously ban combustion engine cars, at least starting with cities. I can’t think of a single clearer win for air quality.
Wow. Well, I like that the people that think like this also probably live I places where you are actually driving a coal powered car. Like the clowns in Hawaii that have extra subsidies for EVs… their power comes directly from burning crude oil. I’m an automotive EE, and and the truth about EVs is in a rush to push them out the door, the media and politicians have set the tech back at least a decade by pretending it…
That's still an improvement for both global and local emissions.