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Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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I suppose the same should apply to hybrid cars, which outnumber pure EVs significantly [1]. The effect comes from converting the kinetic energy back to the battery charge via generation instead of wasting it via friction, which is the whole point of hybrids.

[1]: https://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/how-many-electric...

Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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I went to get new tires on my truck last month. 3 of the 5 bays at the tire shop had teslas getting new shoes. I asked the shop owner and he said EVs eat tires. Like 9-12 months max lifespan, great for business. I couldn't believe it but I've always heard there's exponential wear on tires relative to weight.

Our bz4x has 16,000 miles and the tires are like new. And it’s 400 pounds heavier than a Model 3.

How are you finding the bz4x? I've read some negative things (possibly just seen negative headlines) about Toyota's commitment to electric cars and that the bz4x is a bit of a wet fish attempt at an electric.

Interested in the FUD level going on.

As an owner of a (2014 model) Nissan Leaf, which my wife and I both love, it does seem that Nissan somehow dropped the ball on electric given how good the Leaf still is (11 years later) as a suburban commuter vehicle and how it was a very early electric production car.

Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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An an EV owner, I can testify that the tyre wear more than makes up for the reduction in brake dust. I’ve had to change tyres every 10K miles.

If you're on a Tesla, it might be because of incorrectly set cambers out of the factory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1kdxm5cKfA

Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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We should obviously ban combustion engine cars, at least starting with cities. I can’t think of a single clearer win for air quality.

I would love to have gone electric (bought a car in September) but I rent and don't have any way to charge at my residence. How do we solve the renters-that-cant-charge-their-cars problem?

And everyone you ask has a slightly different situation so no generic solution does it. We’ll have to spend some money and retrofit at least where possible. We’ll need free level 2 chargers wherever people congregate. And folks will probably have to adapt their expectation toward mobility in a way. Things change.

Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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We should obviously ban combustion engine cars, at least starting with cities. I can’t think of a single clearer win for air quality.

I’m against a ban. That sort of pollution is an externality and we could price it in.

Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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I went to get new tires on my truck last month. 3 of the 5 bays at the tire shop had teslas getting new shoes. I asked the shop owner and he said EVs eat tires. Like 9-12 months max lifespan, great for business. I couldn't believe it but I've always heard there's exponential wear on tires relative to weight.

This doesn't make sense. A Tesla weighs about as much as an SUV. We don't hear about SUVs eating tires. If Teslas specifically are in the tire shop more, perhaps it's that Teslas ship with shitty tires. I've heard of a number of car makes that ship with really fragile OEM tires as a way to get you back into the shop for service.

Tesla also has faulty camber/toe settings out of the factory that concentrates tyre wear on where it's weak:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1kdxm5cKfA

Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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We should obviously ban combustion engine cars, at least starting with cities. I can’t think of a single clearer win for air quality.

I would love to have gone electric (bought a car in September) but I rent and don't have any way to charge at my residence. How do we solve the renters-that-cant-charge-their-cars problem?

All our local Tesla drivers park their cars partially blocking the alleyway each evening.

They can't make it into their garages on the narrow road, and there are no curb side plugs in the front (NEC safety rules.) Funny until the Garbage truck rage mashes the horn at 6am... lol =3

Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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An an EV owner, I can testify that the tyre wear more than makes up for the reduction in brake dust. I’ve had to change tyres every 10K miles.

What are you doing to your tires that they only last 10k miles? I think that might be a driver error issue, because my EV (a heavier sedan) basically never needed tire replacement barring me running over a screw or something.

Just normal driving, it wasn’t quite so bad on our previous car which was a Nissan Leaf (with 30kWh battery) but our current Kia Niro just has a lot bigger batter (64kWh) and it is a lot heavier I suppose, the tyres just don’t seem to last as long. I’m pretty sure I’m using summer tyres all year round (I live in the UK) this was recommended by the dealer

Re: Electric cars produce less brake dust pollution than combustion-engine cars

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post #16

We should obviously ban combustion engine cars, at least starting with cities. I can’t think of a single clearer win for air quality.

I would love to have gone electric (bought a car in September) but I rent and don't have any way to charge at my residence. How do we solve the renters-that-cant-charge-their-cars problem?

Public EV chargers are pretty widespread nowadays. Not as much as gas chargers obviously, but for most people in the country if you don't have a way to charge at home it's not fundamentally that different from not having a gas pump at your house.

Plus, most people can charge at home with an extension cord. It's not particularly fast, but you should be able to get 4-5 miles an hour. In the worst case scenario where you can only charge at home and can only charge for 10 hours overnight, that's still 40 miles of driving which is enough for a lot of commuters. Even if it falls short—again—you can use public chargers.

Lastly, eliminating the sale of ICE cars will be a pretty rapid forcing function on the deployment of EV chargers. Still, I'd be all for locations that ban combustion engines mandating that landlords provide EV charging facilities.

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