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The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by redleader55 »

crote wrote: post #514
redleader55 wrote: post #309

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I think(lol) that assuming the other side stupid is one of the big failures of current political environment. Honestly, I'm baffled that is "ok" to say something like "the other side is stupid" without being called out harshly for it. Using weasel words expressions like "seemingly smart people" doesn't make it better, it makes it worse.

In theory I'd love to agree with you. In practice we are way past that. I'm totally fine debating whether the sky is blue with someone claiming it's gray because it is usually overcast. I'm happy to entertain the motion that the sky could be bronze - with a reference to ancient Greece and pretty sunsets. At the end of the day we can just agree to disagree and move on. But I'm not going to debate whether the sky is bl…

Sure, but you forget something. It's impossible to have a discussion with someone you consider inferior to you and they know it(eg. "Trump supporters are morons"). This makes them vote with the person who is willing to have that discussion. That lost the democrats the previous election and has all the chances to happen again in 3 years. I'm not American, and while I do follow US politics, I see the signs closer to home in Europe, where all the "idiots" are voting with worrying candidates for the same reason - the "nice" parties are ignoring them and calling them idiots, subhumans, TikTok drones, etc.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by adhamsalama »

bobnotbob wrote: post #597
themgt wrote: post #512

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If you don't believe Gaza's health ministry, how about Agence France-Presse? The journalists' association of the French wire service Agence France-Presse (AFP) warned on Monday that staff working with the agency in Gaza are at risk of starvation and that "without intervention, the last reporters in Gaza will die." In the statement, the SDJ said that AFP's journalists in Gaza have warned that they no longer have stren…

Oh, I don't doubt for a minute that the are starving people. The whole reason for Palestinian people to exist is to flip the script (hey it's tiny Israel against the whole giant Arab world) into it's evil Israel against Palestinian people who just want freedom. They are waging the CNN war after they lost, you know, the war war. If there are no starving people to produce for the France Presse cameras, they will create…

That's the most deranged take I've seen so far. That's like saying native Americans existed to make the colonizers look bad.

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Post by HappyPanacea »

kennywinker wrote: post #631
HappyPanacea wrote: post #576

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No, they claim that a much higher percentage of those killed was civilians then was really was

And you know this because?

Read this https://publish.obsidian.md/lonerbox/Israel+%26+Palestine/Go... carefully. tl;dr many supposedly "civilian" police force were al-Qassam Brigades members, bringing the alleged 17% combatant rate to around 40%

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

tavavex wrote: post #671
braiamp wrote: post #562

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"In 2011, the United States stopped funding Unesco because of what was then a forgotten, 15-year-old amendment mandating a complete cutoff of American financing to any United Nations agency that accepts Palestine as a full member. Various efforts by President Barack Obama to overturn the legal restriction narrowly failed in Congress, and the United States lost its vote at the organization after two years of nonpaymen…

> 15-year-old amendment mandating a complete cutoff of American financing to any United Nations agency that accepts Palestine as a full member As a non-American, doesn't this seem a little ridiculous to some people in the US? This screams of a kind of melodramatic, overdone theatrics that the US doesn't seem to do to anyone else. I get that the US has a lot of Israeli money/investments/customers and extremely religio…

> melodramatic, overdone theatrics that the US doesn't seem to do to anyone else

Iran and North Korea. China with Taiwan. This is deeply precedented geopolitical drama.

> It ends up coming off as the US bowing on their knees to relatively minor nations

If Israel and Palestine are your issue, of course. (Everything will tend to be. This is just how pet causes and the availability heuristic work.) If not, it doesn’t.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

arevno wrote: post #747
taylodl wrote: post #556

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Most American evangelicals support Israel. I'm not so sure if the rest of the remaining Americans also support Israel.

This is one dimension. Another is Dem/Rep. But another, that doesn't get enough attention, is the generational one: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/02/younger-a... > Most American evangelicals support Israel Most American boomers support Israel.

Most American voters in almost every demo see the Israeli people favourably. Per your source, a majority of 18 to 49-year olds leaning Democrat see Palestinians favourably. But even in those demos, 42 to 56% see the Israeli people favourably, too.

Outside those demos, the advantage to Israelis is significant enough to drown that partisan youthful signal everywhere but in local primaries where there are large numbers of young Democrats. (Support for Israelis is dropping. But support for Palestinians is lower.)

The dimension that doesn’t get attention is that most Americans don’t care about foreign policy. They may have views. But they won’t vote on them.

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Post by ceejayoz »

FireBeyond wrote: post #720
ceejayoz wrote: post #55

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"woke, divisive cultural and social causes" is using it as an adjective. Causes is the noun.

The Right commonly uses wokeness as a noun.

I don't disagree, but this isn't one of those cases.

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Post by lawlessone »

rgblambda wrote: post #722
lawlessone wrote: post #679

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They always send their most incompetent ambassadors to Dublin, ones that put their foot in their own mouth.

I suppose looking at it from the Israeli government's perspective, Ireland is a very safe place for Israelis and Jewish people in general, but the public and government are vocal on Israel's actions and there's no defence/intelligence links between the two countries. Trade links are on the European level. There'll never be a reason for them to send a skilled diplomat, so may as well send a shit stirrer who's only goo…

when you put that way its pretty logical.

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Post by adhamsalama »

mcurist wrote: post #7
this15testingg wrote: post #4

the wording of that page is so blatantly propaganda that it's embarrassing to read. It's pathetic.

I find myself wondering if the people writing like this actually speak like that and how aware they are of how it sounds to a non-cultist. The spokesperson is a political scientist, the fact that they must know better just makes it worse.

Well, you're in luck because this guy confessed https://youtube.com/shorts/Uxfoe88Q-hg

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Post by intalentive »

Pet_Ant wrote: post #495

I feel like the US is becoming like China. Very economically important obviously, but will end up culturally irrelevant. It's hard to build up that much ill-will and still be considered glamorous. I can be wrong, and this isn't my personal judgement, but a genuine prediction.

In what respect is the US becoming like China?

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Post by exe34 »

adhamsalama wrote: post #750
exe34 wrote: post #662

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Do you have a link to a recent picture of this Bashar Taleb? I've found the Gaza famine to be very different from any other famine I've ever looked into - people seem to go from healthy to "died from starvation" without ever getting thin. If you google for "famine yemen", you see very thin children, with just skin on bone - all the fat and muscle is gone. If you google for "famine gaza", they just seem a lot healthie…

Must be your bubble because I see thin starving kids every time I open social media.

But not Bashar Taleb?
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