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The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by MisterTea »

regnull wrote: post #554
kennywinker wrote: post #251

The US is complicit in the intentional starvation of gaza’s people by israel. At least 15 people have starved to death in the last 24 hours, including an infant. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-war-hunger-childre... Ragequitting UNESCO over their recognition of palestine is a small part of the project of supporting the ethnic cleansing of gaza and the west bank.

From WSJ article: "KHAN YOUNIS, Gaza Strip—Thousands of hungry Palestinians amassed last Tuesday morning outside a barbed-wire fence surrounding the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation aid center here. The moment the gates cracked open, the crowd surged forward. American security contractors tried to keep control, but scores of men pushed through barricades and snatched boxes of food awaiting distribution. Others sprinted i…

> I know it's easy to judge being far away, but seriously, men on speeding motorcycles?

Desperation and survival.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by kennywinker »

laurent_du wrote: post #560
themgt wrote: post #512

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If you don't believe Gaza's health ministry, how about Agence France-Presse? The journalists' association of the French wire service Agence France-Presse (AFP) warned on Monday that staff working with the agency in Gaza are at risk of starvation and that "without intervention, the last reporters in Gaza will die." In the statement, the SDJ said that AFP's journalists in Gaza have warned that they no longer have stren…

I fully believe that Gazans are starving, I just don't think it's Israel's fault. Hamas is stealing and withholding food, and other resources.

And that has nothing to do with israel blocking aid agencies from bringing in food?

Nothing to do with israel destroying farms and crops?

Hamas bad. We can all agree hamas bad. But to blame starvation on hamas when israel is in control of the food supply… how do you mental gymnastics your way to that??

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by monero-xmr »

Sharlin wrote: post #470
monero-xmr wrote: post #443

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From my perspective the world is getting better every single day. I wouldn’t want to live in the past

Sad and short-sighted view. Which is of course what got us into this mess, and is actively working to make things worse in any timescale longer than quarterly. But you do you.

It’s sad to me you are miserable

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by Hikikomori »

throwawaygmbno wrote: post #513
santoshalper wrote: post #474

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I think mass murder is one area where we can safely feel moral outrage. It might not work, but it probably has a better chance of influencing the outcome than shrugging and saying "well, that's just how it is".

Kids being murdered is just as awful in Palestine, as it is in Africa, Asia, the Americas or anywhere else in the world. But, at what point does the rest of the world get to run out of "fucks" to give about their conflicts. I think the US should absolutely stop giving money to Israel, there seems to be no benefit at all and it supports their genocide. But I also see no reason to actually support Palestine. The curren…

This isn't some deep seated religious conflict. The few Jews and other people's lived largely in peace under the ottoman empire. Modern Israel is a joint US and European imperialist settler project where the founders of that movement outright said they intend to take over the area for their ethnostate.

Most of the problems in the middle east can be traced back to European and American meddling.

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Post by MPSFounder »

rafram wrote: post #441
cooper_ganglia wrote: post #387

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Sure, it was a Democrat president enforcing laws passed by a Democrat-controlled House and Senate in 1990 and 1994, under at least one Democrat president. There are no real "sides" when it comes to the U.S. and Israel. Every party bends the knee and kisses the wall. It’s one big club, and we’re not in it.

> It’s one big club, and we’re not in it. I’m not sure what you’re trying to imply here, but like it or not, most Americans do support Israel.

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Post by BigJ1211 »

kennywinker wrote: post #543
BigJ1211 wrote: post #518

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They've been making that claim since the start of the conflict, including calling it a genocide. There have been an overwhelming amount of articles that later had to be retracted about Israel shooting at aid distribution centers. Not a single video of IDF soldiers shooting at them has been shown. Unless I get to see actual evidence, I'm not inclined to believe this claim. I see articles report things like: "Since the…

Upgrading from “i don’t believe hamas doctors” to “i don’t believe UN doctors” even when there IS video just not good enough video? Jesus. I understand healthy skepticism, but the healthy skeptical response would be “lets get more oversight into place” not “it’s all lies until i see the right video”

There IS video, just not of what's being claimed. With the amount of constant propaganda about this conflict in particular, you cannot trust anything that you can't actually verify. Big media outlets, like the BBC have been caught with their pants down multiple times. Making claims they themselves did not and could not verify. Having to make constant retractions and clarifications because they want to hit 'publish' does not a reliable news source make.

The fact that you can see I'm actually looking for sources, should at least prove to you that I'm trying to verify. In this case I can find no direct video evidence of the claim. And the only news source using a video with no casualties, but at least there's gunfire, is from Al Jazeera. Hardly unbiased.

I do want to know why you think there wouldn't be an overwhelming amount of video evidence at this point. This claim has been made multiple times, there is a lot of video footage being filmed and shared constantly, yet nothing about this specific one?

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Post by bobnotbob »

smallerfish wrote: post #598
regnull wrote: post #554

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From WSJ article: "KHAN YOUNIS, Gaza Strip—Thousands of hungry Palestinians amassed last Tuesday morning outside a barbed-wire fence surrounding the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation aid center here. The moment the gates cracked open, the crowd surged forward. American security contractors tried to keep control, but scores of men pushed through barricades and snatched boxes of food awaiting distribution. Others sprinted i…

> I know it's easy to judge being far away, but seriously, men on speeding motorcycles? Why wouldn't they be on "speeding" motorcycles? They have a family to feed. They're probably coming from some distance away. People travel on motorcycles.

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Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by MPSFounder »

SadTrombone wrote: post #469
ngruhn wrote: post #457

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What are you talking about? There's plenty to criticize Israel for but this is just hyperbolic nonsense.

How so? It's common knowledge that the nascent IDF absorbed terrorist organizations like the Irgun and Lehi into their ranks and gave them autonomy to operate as they had been. Leaders of these terrorist organizations went on to join the highest ranks of Israeli leadership. David Ben-Gurion being one of many (his Haganah cooperated closely with the Irgun and Lehi as they committed kidnappings, bombings and murders).…

That is true. Not sure why you are being downvoted. In fact, many of their victims were British citizens since it was under English mandate. It is impossible to reason with Israel apologists, for they are genocidal actors. It is what one would expect.

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Post by kennywinker »

dismalaf wrote: post #549
kennywinker wrote: post #251

The US is complicit in the intentional starvation of gaza’s people by israel. At least 15 people have starved to death in the last 24 hours, including an infant. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-war-hunger-childre... Ragequitting UNESCO over their recognition of palestine is a small part of the project of supporting the ethnic cleansing of gaza and the west bank.

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It’s wild to question numbers, but not question the country preventing independent verification of those numbers.

You can be skeptical of the gaza MoH all you want, but unless you’re demanding independent verification you’re just enabling what we have to assume is a genocide.

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