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The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by impossiblefork »

breppp wrote: post #531
kennywinker wrote: post #251

The US is complicit in the intentional starvation of gaza’s people by israel. At least 15 people have starved to death in the last 24 hours, including an infant. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-war-hunger-childre... Ragequitting UNESCO over their recognition of palestine is a small part of the project of supporting the ethnic cleansing of gaza and the west bank.

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>This is enough under international law to prevent Israel from passing any aid, as it works to assist its enemy's forces.

No. Article 54 of the additional protocol I (https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/api-1977/arti...) only allows destruction of objects etc. necessary for the sustenance of the civilian population if they are solely used for the members of the armed forces.

So even if Hamas stole the vast majority of the aid, as long as there is starvation, destroying it is forbidden.

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Post by braiamp »

cooper_ganglia wrote: post #239

Obama withdrew all US funds from UNESCO in 2011 as well, due to Palestine being admitted in. This isn't anything particularly noteworthy, just more capitulating to Israel, which is annoying.

"In 2011, the United States stopped funding Unesco because of what was then a forgotten, 15-year-old amendment mandating a complete cutoff of American financing to any United Nations agency that accepts Palestine as a full member. Various efforts by President Barack Obama to overturn the legal restriction narrowly failed in Congress, and the United States lost its vote at the organization after two years of nonpayment, in 2013."

https://web.archive.org/web/20220503183152/https://www.nytim...

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Post by kindkang2024 »

bigcat12345678 wrote: post #547
kindkang2024 wrote: post #500

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> To ask Palestine government to do anything meaningful, yes, they have done a lot

Yes, but still not enough, or its people's survival will not depend on the kindness of others. In my opinion, it's not a competent government, at least based on its performance so far.

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Post by s5300 »

kennywinker wrote: post #527
busterarm wrote: post #480

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Hamas, who run Gaza, want to "Globalize the Intifada" and bring violence to Jews worldwide. You speak about ethnic cleansing like if the roles were reversed we wouldn't be seeing the same thing. This is basically just criticizing Israel for having the means. Clearly both have the will. The two parties are locked into a death pact with each other.

> This is basically just criticizing Israel for having the means. No, it’s criticizing israel for the will, the means, and the action of murdering tens of thousands and starving millions. > Hamas, who run Gaza, want to "Globalize the Intifada" and bring violence to Jews worldwide This is one interpretation of that phrase. Intifada means roughly “shaking off”. A call for international support for shaking off the oppre…

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Post by yoyohello13 »

DontchaKnowit wrote: post #517
Pet_Ant wrote: post #495

I feel like the US is becoming like China. Very economically important obviously, but will end up culturally irrelevant. It's hard to build up that much ill-will and still be considered glamorous. I can be wrong, and this isn't my personal judgement, but a genuine prediction.

China is bery culturally relevant and rising. But otherwise yeah I agree with you

China is filling the void the US is leaving. It’s kind of wild seeing the US just ceding dominance to China one step at a time.

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Post by hirako2000 »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #94

> UNESCO’s decision to admit the “State of Palestine” as a Member State is highly problematic, contrary to U.S. policy, and contributed to the proliferation of anti-Israel rhetoric within the organization. I asked this when the administration decided to attack funding for research at Harvard University over wild claims, and I ask again, why are we willing to shoot ourselves in the knees for Israel?

Because some rich supremacists happen to support Israel, and they happen to be a large number of financial contributors to Ivy league universities.

For politics at large, there is a very powerful lobby.

A great talk from Mearsheimer on the subject https://youtu.be/RTksWA1I2UI The man deserves upmost respect to have courageously spoken and written about it, all along. On a more recent video he mentions the level of threats and attacks he has been subject to for his exposing of that lobby.

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Post by zipy124 »

landl0rd wrote: post #432
lvl155 wrote: post #40

And it’s wild to think that more than 1/3 of the devs I’ve met in my life support this admin. These are seemingly smart people. The past 10 years or so made me realize I don’t know anything about human nature or intellect. Edit: I am in no way saying conservatism is bad and liberalism is good. I have my values in both.

The CCP has been lobbying the World Heritage Evaluation Committee for a long time now to increase its number of sites. This directly promote’s china’s false narrative of “5,000 years continuous civilization” with attached mythos (despite much of the early evidence coming from the mythical Shiji, china simply blackmails academics into silence with source access and mainland collaboration to maintain a monopoly on her…

These are literally within its remit. It's the "Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation". All of these issues are educational, scientific or cultural. And even so comparing research around gender with the indisputable fact of climate change is a rather twisted way of reasoning.

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Post by Workaccount2 »

eapressoandcats wrote: post #521
Workaccount2 wrote: post #471

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Japan surrendered before the US had the chance to play Israel in Japan. But Japan had the same strategy that Hamas uses - train civilians to attack to put the US in a position of having to decide if that mother is just a mother, or if that mother is gonna pull out a rifle.

I don’t think Israel believes that there is anyone that could “surrender” on behalf of the Palestinians. Also, given the nature of the conflict, surrender would inevitably lead back to the same problems that started it, which is that Israel cannot annex Palestine without either apartheid or genocide, and regime change is unlikely to lead to a stable two state solution since legitimate regimes haven’t been able to rea…

Israel should just start mass deportations of Palestinians to Iran.

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Post by esseph »

dismalaf wrote: post #549
kennywinker wrote: post #251

The US is complicit in the intentional starvation of gaza’s people by israel. At least 15 people have starved to death in the last 24 hours, including an infant. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-war-hunger-childre... Ragequitting UNESCO over their recognition of palestine is a small part of the project of supporting the ethnic cleansing of gaza and the west bank.

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Israel has become what it had done to it. It's very sad.

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Post by Hikikomori »

aleckiefan wrote: post #486
SadTrombone wrote: post #446

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A "mess" of its own creation, considering Netanyahu propped up Hamas to sabotage the Fatah government.

I mean this sincerely and with all due respect: can you please point me to sources where I can learn more about this?

Look up how Bush pushed for the election that Hamas won and the subsequent coup.
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