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Re: CBA hiring Indian ICT workers after firing Australians

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Post by yipbub »

justlikereddit wrote: post #39

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Don't confuse liberal capitalists, libertarians, etcs with leftists. It's free market liberals and right wing libertarians that espouse this kind of free market stuff.

The people most commonly calling nazis nazis(with some rare hyperbole) are leftists and they definitely didn't vote for this. They want market regulation.

Also, if you were complaining about immigrants when you got called a nazi, please consider that the skilled immigrants taking tech jobs would be buying at your local businesses and paying taxes in Australia if you let them in. Now your corporate overlords will pay them to spend in India.

Re: CBA hiring Indian ICT workers after firing Australians

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Post by Larrikin »

breitling wrote: post #34

Canadian banks, telecoms, and even retail chains, have been shamelessly replacing Canadian workers with Indians for decades. At this point, a plurality of our new immigrants come from one or two states in India. I would challenge you to go to a coffee shop in any major city and try to find a Canadian worker. Not sure what the future is for a Canadian worker, but it's bleak.

>I would challenge you to go to a coffee shop in any major city and try to find a Canadian worker.

Why do Canadians put up with going to coffee shops that make you call into a call center in another country to order coffee?

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Post by komali2 »

Veen wrote: post #59
komali2 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thread you kicked off with this comment is one of my favorite I've read on HN in a while because it seems you've somehow gotten people to accidentally spout Marxist ideologies in the comments in their attempts to reconcile their belief in free market economics with the natural result of free market economics.

Resistance to free market economics is not necessarily Marxist. Old-fashioned one-nation conservatives also find offshoring of this sort objectionable. If you consider the job of the state to be to cultivate a stable, cohesive society, you're going to favour regulation of actions that undermine that objective, including business strategies that erode the local skill base and economy.

But, that's not free market economics then.

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Post by lupusreal »

logicchains wrote: post #51
komali2 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It's a conspiracy theory to suggest that there's some deliberate elite conspiracy to replace white Canadians. It's not a conspiracy theory to state that if current demographic trends continue then whites (as in people with white skin) will be a minority there by the end of the century; it's basic extrapolation.

Also, it being a theory about a conspiracy doesn't necessarily make it wrong. Rich and powerful people often do conspire against labor. This even happens in the tech industry, where industry leaders across ostensibly competing corporations conspire with each other in anti-poaching schemes to suppress wages. Industrialists like Elon Musk flagrantly try to buy politicians for the obvious purpose of importing cheaper and easily coerced H1B workers, to again suppress wages. Elon Musk has no tack and subtly so he doesn't bother to hide it, but what he's doing is the norm from his economic class. Conspiracy against common workers is a recurring theme throughout history and into the present. Dismissing out of hand the possibility of such a conspiracy happening in Canada, even as unprecedented levels of ethnic replacement with servile and desperate workers from an impoverished third work country is underway is simply absurd.

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Post by adityaathalye »

Isn't this just another symptom of the disease that is Jack Welch-ian financialisation of the enterprise [1]?

While it was paying off handsomely, in the short term, the grumblings were muted. Now that the invisible hand of the invisible debt collector has come a-calling, it is unsurprising that the WITCH-hunt (hehe) is gathering momentum.

Given that these are generational phenomena, is it surprising that one generation torpedos local labour laws and labour protections, and their children and grandchildren wake up one day faced with the prospect of having to pay the price?

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44442022

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Post by Quarrel »

GianFabien wrote: post #32

If Australia doesn't have the capabilities then why are the university campuses full of overseas students? So they can learn, return to their homelands and work at some outsourcing org? CBA like all large corporations don't care about their staff nor their customers. Their only priority is to pander to their shareholders and pay their executives ever larger salaries and perks. Government powers don't work. Lobbyists…

> If Australia doesn't have the capabilities then why are the university campuses full of overseas students?

Because Australian universities are a path to citizenship.

Australia is one of the richest per capita nations on the planet and has been for almost 200 years.

People seek a better life. My ancestors did too, that's why I'm Australian.

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Post by achrono »

rayiner wrote: post #52
thoroughburro wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The future Canadian worker is a Canadian with Indian ancestry, you no doubt mean.

“In The Culture Transplant, Garett Jones documents the cultural foundations of cross-country income differences, showing that immigrants import cultural attitudes from their homelands—toward saving, toward trust, and toward the role of government—that persist for decades, and likely for centuries, in their new national homes. Full assimilation in a generation or two, Jones reports, is a myth. And the cultural traits…

> Toronto, where immigrants from the subcontinent grow up in enclaves surrounded by other immigrants.

Citation please, because this is sweeping. Two questions to consider:

1. Are these enclaves representative of the subcontinent, or of a few over-represented communities that is actually a small fraction of the Indian subcontinental population?

2. Of all the people from the Indian subcontinent here, how many live in enclaves versus otherwise?

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Post by ptsneves »

logicchains wrote: post #57
NilMostChill wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

source? for the trends i mean, not the extrapolation.

For the trends, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Canada has some charts in the "Ethnic origin" section.

Yeah, dismissing data as racist is quite annoying. I looked at the fertility rate in Poland and it is 0.33 per1000. In Portugal it got better at the expense of 10% of the population being immigrant in a span of 5 years. Of course the natives revolted, all while they enjoy their lives without dependants .

The fault is not of the Indians, or immigrants that come for a better life, and are often needed. The fault is all the developed world, and some not, deciding that having children is not good. I have a the very controversial opinion that not wanting to have children is a disease as we are living organisms and all of them reproduce. There might be manageable diseases but current demographics is a public health crisis.

I am very capitalist but if there is something where the state needs to intervene is to make any kind of employment disturbance into families a severe liability. I just got to know a parent lost its job after coming from paternity leave, for me that company is on my bad book forever, and I sold its stock.

More importantly evolution will evolve around the people that don’t want to reproduce because they will not pass their childless traits. Crudely, it will consider all childless people even if they live to a 100 as death on birth. If somebody said that 60% of the developed world will die in about 5 generations this would be a catastrophe for Bruce Willis, but as it takes time and we have immigrants that have other fertility inclinations to fill the gap, the frog boils slowly into oblivion.

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Post by wat10000 »

fennecbutt wrote: post #29
monkeycantype wrote: post #24

I worked for a company that was bought by CBA, and this was happening while I was there. This would be great if: Indian workers were hired on equivalent terms, in Australia, on visas that give them a clear path to citizenship. If they were hired as individuals and not via contracing companies that force them to sign separate secret contracts that prevent them from pushing for their full legal rights under Australian…

No, it would still not be great. Local options should always be preferred to protect local job markets. Any company only exists because they can do business locally, so they should support local or be burnt to the ground. I now live in the UK, when I got hired here they had to advertise my position to see if they could fill it locally before they could grant me a visa for it - this is the way.

Was there literally nobody in the country capable of doing what you do? Or were they just not willing to pay enough?
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