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Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by hegstal »

actualwitch wrote: post #549
jibe wrote: post #477

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This boycott was run by Collective Shout, an Australian non-profit. They aren't targeting all sex games on Steam, they were targeting rape, incest, and child abuse.

Its ridiculous that your comment that has factual information is downvoted while on top of you there's a bunch of comments going on random tangents not based at all on reality.

One of the games they are also going after is Detroit: Become Human, and they have gone after things like GTA in the past. Just because they claim they are going after things for those reasons doesn't mean that's actually an accurate claim as to what they are trying to go after. Though it's good to point out who is actually (supposedly) responsible.

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by munksbeer »

bornfreddy wrote: post #612
Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #609

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> Some of these games seem completely abhorrent Why would you consider those abhorrent while games where you can slaughter people, or commit all kinds of crimes like any random GTA, are widely considered normal? I'll never understand American morals. What's clear is that we need non-US payment processors so that the values of a given culture aren't imposed worldwide.

Say what you want about crypto, but it does solve this problem at least.

Yes, stable-coins do. But if you have a crypto where the entire point seems to be "it should be worth more tomorrow than today", then it is stupid to use it to transact in rather than to hoard.

On the other hand, stable-coins suffer the same problems as visa. They're centralised, and subject to zealous regulations.

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by pqtyw »

saghm wrote: post #568
louthy wrote: post #467

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> People keep saying "Puritans" like it answers all questions, but Puritans were hundreds of years ago. We had our own share of people with peculiar attitudes back then. We literally had Puritans in Europe [1] ” The Puritans were English Protestants in the 16th and 17th centuries who sought to rid the Church of England of what they considered to be Roman Catholic practices, maintaining that the Church of England had…

Yeah, and then most of them left and came here, which the article cites as having caused a "radical" divergence: > Almost all Puritan clergy left the Church of England after the restoration of the monarchy in 1660 and the Act of Uniformity 1662. Many continued to practise their faith in nonconformist denominations, especially in Congregationalist and Presbyterian churches.[2] The nature of the Puritan movement in Eng…

> Church of England

Doesn't mean that continental Europe wasn't full of puritanical nutjobs.

Calvin himself ran a dystopian theocratic state\hellhole in Geneva yet hardly anyone references that when talking about conservativism in Switzerland.

> Even 120-130 years after the point

There was a significant generational backlash towards puritanism and a push towards pluralism/secularism by the late 1700s. IMHO Second/Third "Great Awakenings" had a much bigger impact than a handful of Puritans inhabiting New England in the 1600s.

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by manwe150 »

AdieuToLogic wrote: post #237
manwe150 wrote: post #220

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I thought Venmo was trying the most with their card offers, as well as PayPal, Cash, Google Pay and several others too

> I thought Venmo was trying the most with their card offers, as well as PayPal, Cash, Google Pay and several others too I know at least two of the above used to use a specific US bank for the credit card transactions backing their payment services. For others, if service usage requires a verified credit card or debit card backed by a credit card network, they too use a processor owned/operated by a bank, bank subsid…

That seems an overly fine line to draw, when a check is basically just a plain piece of paper with your ACH number printed on it, and anyone with your ACH number can go get checks printed. A credit card is also bidirectional, so the question was just if alternatives exist to VISA processing, not if you necessarily would use them. I meant to mention Zelle and Plaid too, since they integrate with many (most?) banks already to allow transfers via your online account login authentication credentials instead of traditional ACH

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by pqtyw »

noduerme wrote: post #574
kergonath wrote: post #533

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This is nonsense. If you want us to believe this you need to show that Steam with erotic games is more of a risk than Steam without them. Comparing Steam with things like “adult merchants” like Onlyfans or a porn streaming service does not sound very appropriate.

It's not nonsense. I've hosted, moderated and managed sites that were only obliquely related to porn or gambling, and you wouldn't believe the level of rejection for running ads or getting payment processing that they are faced with. And I ran a casino for 4 years. I coded it and I ran it 24/7, and believe me, I did everything by the book. The CC companies do not give a shit as long as they make money. Chargebacks co…

> that's how it works. On Steam specifically? But nothing you said shows proves that.

Valve already has a very generous refund policy and a chargeback would likely result in your account being banned.

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Post by mango7283 »

baobabKoodaa wrote: post #452
ggoo wrote: post #269

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Seems like we’re in agreement - I read your prior comment differently

You are not in agreement. The person you are replying to is being sarcastic. They feel that a HBO produced tv show with incest is art that needs to be protected while an indie dev game with incest is trash that needs to be censored.

The fact of the matter is you will find more people willing to publicly bat for GOT than you will find people willing to bat for an "indie incest non-con game". And it's not like GOT has not received criticism for its content or that people haven't tried.

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Post by aaaja »

louthy wrote: post #610
aaaja wrote: post #607

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> trans rights. These are entirely imported issues from US religious hangups. No, in the UK it was left-wing feminists who led the opposition to gender identity policies long before any conservatives got involved, on the basis of this being harmful to women's rights. Just look at the recent For Women Scotland win in the Supreme Court, it's nothing to do with US religious groups at all, and everything to do with prote…

That was waaaay after it had become an 'issue' in the US and exported. I also doubt they would describe themselves as "left-wing feminists". That language is incorrect at best and inflammatory at worst. In 2014, Time magazine declared trans rights as "America's next civil rights frontier" [1]. For Women Scotland was formed in 2018 [2]. (Just looked at your comment history. Just, wow... is the trans issue the only one…

For Women Scotland wasn't the start of the opposition to gender identity policy in the UK. It was founded, by four women who met on Mumsnet, specifically to address policy in Scotland.

Feminist women opposed to the Tory government's plans to introduce "gender self-id" law and similar policy had already started organising by this point. Groups like Woman's Place UK and Fair Play For Women. This had nothing whatsoever to do with religious arguments from the US.

There's also significant liberal opposition to all this in the US, again not linked to religion but, like the UK, on the basis of women's rights.

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by baobabKoodaa »

mango7283 wrote: post #626
baobabKoodaa wrote: post #452

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You are not in agreement. The person you are replying to is being sarcastic. They feel that a HBO produced tv show with incest is art that needs to be protected while an indie dev game with incest is trash that needs to be censored.

The fact of the matter is you will find more people willing to publicly bat for GOT than you will find people willing to bat for an "indie incest non-con game". And it's not like GOT has not received criticism for its content or that people haven't tried.

The movements here (the pro-censorship movement & the anti-sexuality movement) are mainly driven by religious beliefs, and as such, it comes as no surprise that they do not want to apply censorship in a fair or even logically consistent way; they merely want to ban things they personally do not like.

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Post by mango7283 »

Thorrez wrote: post #448
Shekelphile wrote: post #254

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there are already hundreds, if not thousands of anime lolicon porn games on steam. the people making a stink about this know this but are pretending that they don't because it would overtly out them as pedophiles.

Are you saying the people who are petitioning Steam to remove porn games are playing the porn games themselves and simultaneously pretending porn games don't exist on Steam? That doesn't make sense.

It's possible he means people saying steam should not delist anything due to pressure from activists are tacitly condoning sketchy lolicon games.

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Post by [deleted] »

pqtyw wrote: post #618
louthy wrote: post #591

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> required verifying that I was an adult Log in to your account and toggle the “I want porn” option? It’s annoying, but not onerous. > And I know for a fact that the UK has much stricter limits on kink and BDSM in adult content as well. I know what you’re referring to, but don’t know the full details. I believe it’s around violent porn (rape, etc). We certainly have a “think of the children” brigade. I still think th…

> It’s annoying, but not onerous. So government regulating stuff like that does go against much of the thing you said in the comment above? > doesn't turn into some societal ideological divide. When governments try to introduce mass surveillance of personal communications to "protect the children" liek ChatControl maybe it should turn into one. Instead of everyone just handwaving and ignoring it...

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