>Ukrainian cyber activists, in cooperation with military intelligence... So the foreign intelligence services gave them a button push so it's not a direct cyber war on Russia.
We’re talking about Ukraine and Russia, there has been a war going on for years now. Nobody needs or wants plausible deniability here.
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#22>Ukrainian cyber activists, in cooperation with military intelligence... So the foreign intelligence services gave them a button push so it's not a direct cyber war on Russia.
We’re talking about Ukraine and Russia, there has been a war going on for years now. Nobody needs or wants plausible deniability here.
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#23Working for a company in Germany which is planing production 3 months in advance using printed Excel sheets. The migration of ERP system gone wrong and nobody knows how to fix it. Production management tries to hide this fact and does not talk to the engineering department. This will go for years, consultants will gather their fees for non functional system. Obviously IT infrastructure is not needed for manufacturing…
Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer
#24>Ukrainian cyber activists, in cooperation with military intelligence... So the foreign intelligence services gave them a button push so it's not a direct cyber war on Russia.
Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
It depends how resilient they are. People often put all their eggs in one basket.
Russia has shown to be plenty resilient across the board. I find it hard to assume anything different here.
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#26If you never bootstrap from zero (nor simulate this) then your systems probably have cycles in their deployment dependencies. Your config pusher is deployed from Jenkins/Puppet/Ansible but 2 years ago someone made Jenkins dependent on the config pusher for its own config. Now you cannot just deploy these systems in order, you have to replay the history before that change.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
We’re talking about Ukraine and Russia, there has been a war going on for years now. Nobody needs or wants plausible deniability here.
I think the point being made is that Western agencies (5-eyes) would give Ukranian intelligence the button to push (indirect action) and not push it themselves (direct action).
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#28>Ukrainian cyber activists, in cooperation with military intelligence... So the foreign intelligence services gave them a button push so it's not a direct cyber war on Russia.
> foreign intelligence services gave them a button push so it's not a direct cyber war on Russia meanwhile, russian intelligence services have already directly attacked nato countries, with barely any real deniability.
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#29Working for a company in Germany which is planing production 3 months in advance using printed Excel sheets. The migration of ERP system gone wrong and nobody knows how to fix it. Production management tries to hide this fact and does not talk to the engineering department. This will go for years, consultants will gather their fees for non functional system. Obviously IT infrastructure is not needed for manufacturing…
DeMars launched, and procurement basically stopped for a year. Only the items my friend was in charge of remained in stock, through out the launch/roll-out process.
Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
It depends how resilient they are. People often put all their eggs in one basket.
Russia has shown to be plenty resilient across the board. I find it hard to assume anything different here.
Western support to Ukraine has been a real joke - https://carnegieendowment.org/europe/strategic-europe/2025/0...