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Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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>Ukrainian cyber activists, in cooperation with military intelligence... So the foreign intelligence services gave them a button push so it's not a direct cyber war on Russia.

We’re talking about Ukraine and Russia, there has been a war going on for years now. Nobody needs or wants plausible deniability here.

There are plenty of reasons to have plausibly deniability even this late into the war.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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>Ukrainian cyber activists, in cooperation with military intelligence... So the foreign intelligence services gave them a button push so it's not a direct cyber war on Russia.

We’re talking about Ukraine and Russia, there has been a war going on for years now. Nobody needs or wants plausible deniability here.

I think the point being made is that Western agencies (5-eyes) would give Ukranian intelligence the button to push (indirect action) and not push it themselves (direct action).

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Working for a company in Germany which is planing production 3 months in advance using printed Excel sheets. The migration of ERP system gone wrong and nobody knows how to fix it. Production management tries to hide this fact and does not talk to the engineering department. This will go for years, consultants will gather their fees for non functional system. Obviously IT infrastructure is not needed for manufacturing…

In the late-90s I worked for a manufacturing company in a firmware dev capacity. They did everything on paper still. They migrated successfully to an in-house built ERP system sitting on top of Oracle. Big celebration, everyone happy. Six months later someone drove a forklift through the wall of the machine room into the UPS which caught fire and destroyed three racks of kit including the Oracle node. Turns out no one really trusted the system and was running paper on the side. When I left 6 years later they were still doing it on paper and reporting on Excel. It works and is considerably more forklift proof.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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It depends how resilient they are. People often put all their eggs in one basket.

Russia has shown to be plenty resilient across the board. I find it hard to assume anything different here.

Russia is also behind in modern technology by over a decade. I'm pretty sure if the CIA wanted they could destroy a lot of Russian software infrastructure, but it suits them to be in and out of Russian systems collecting information instead.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Not many companies explicitly prepare for the scenario where every single data storage unit in the company is effectively wiped and you have to redeploy from zero.

If you never bootstrap from zero (nor simulate this) then your systems probably have cycles in their deployment dependencies. Your config pusher is deployed from Jenkins/Puppet/Ansible but 2 years ago someone made Jenkins dependent on the config pusher for its own config. Now you cannot just deploy these systems in order, you have to replay the history before that change.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We’re talking about Ukraine and Russia, there has been a war going on for years now. Nobody needs or wants plausible deniability here.

I think the point being made is that Western agencies (5-eyes) would give Ukranian intelligence the button to push (indirect action) and not push it themselves (direct action).

By going to war with Ukraine Russia (very foolishly in my view) exposed itself to a number of possible "indirect actions" which weren't possible before as "direct actions". Like for example Ukrainian drone hitting one of the Russian strategic missile defense radars. Ukraine can potentially hit other strategic assets not that involved in the current war - say nuclear submarines for example.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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>Ukrainian cyber activists, in cooperation with military intelligence... So the foreign intelligence services gave them a button push so it's not a direct cyber war on Russia.

> foreign intelligence services gave them a button push so it's not a direct cyber war on Russia meanwhile, russian intelligence services have already directly attacked nato countries, with barely any real deniability.

They have been, in various ways, been attacking NATO countries for past 2 decades. Its simply puttin's modus operandi. Physical attacks on civilian and military infrastructure, murders, meddling with elections, cyber attacks, you name it.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Working for a company in Germany which is planing production 3 months in advance using printed Excel sheets. The migration of ERP system gone wrong and nobody knows how to fix it. Production management tries to hide this fact and does not talk to the engineering department. This will go for years, consultants will gather their fees for non functional system. Obviously IT infrastructure is not needed for manufacturing…

In the late 90s, early 2000, the Danish department of defence decided that they needed a new procurement system, DeMars, built on SAP. I know a sergent that worked in procurement at the time, he made insanely large purchases of everything he was responsible for in the months leading up to the launch. It came to the point where he was pulled in for questioning, on the suspicion of fraud. He explained that he had no faith in the launch of DeMars and wanted to ensure that stock would not run out. Everything was accounted for, if anyone believe that he as committing fraud, they where welcome to do a complete inventory.

DeMars launched, and procurement basically stopped for a year. Only the items my friend was in charge of remained in stock, through out the launch/roll-out process.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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It depends how resilient they are. People often put all their eggs in one basket.

Russia has shown to be plenty resilient across the board. I find it hard to assume anything different here.

It's not called Resilience if you pick on someone weaker.

Western support to Ukraine has been a real joke - https://carnegieendowment.org/europe/strategic-europe/2025/0...

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