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Post by mandmandam »

msgodel wrote: post #509
mandmandam wrote: post #504

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is saying it isn't against federal law. It's still a demented justification to turn someone away from the country. "You can come here, buy weed in a majority of states, and face no fear of repercussions... Until you try and come back in". That's nutty . It's batshit. And, the real reason he was brought in - as brought up by the Immi officers - was that he was doing journalism at one of the anti-genocide protes…

It's probably not a good idea to have people on visas attending protests. Keep in mind I'm very much not pro Isreal, but it's not practical or moral to have foreign partisans participating in our politics that way.

> > it's not practical or moral to have foreign partisans participating in our politics that way.

That would be called 'freedom of assembly', which is a universal human right (see Article 20 of the UNDHR). Highly moral, most practical, and widely recognized as such.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by queenkjuul »

mrtksn wrote: post #480
hayst4ck wrote: post #463

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This country was founded on the idea that rights transcend government and that a government cannot grant rights because rights do not come from law, but from human dignity intrinsic to all of us. If rights are derived from human dignity, then a government cannot grant them, it can only protect them. If a government were to grant rights, then they would be privileges and not rights. You can read the American founder's…

what I find puzzling is how come the new administration is moving so fast without resistance? As with US other countries also have some intrinsic understanding of how the government should work and when a government does something against some principle, they are met with huge pressure from the public. People will stop cooperating or start protesting. It took Erdogan 20 years to dismantle the core of the secular repu…

People were protesting and Trump sent in the military to beat them up, nothing changed, and the courts so far haven't stopped him.

Meanwhile everyone is broke and precarious.

People aren't very willing to risk everything they have just to get brutalized by a cop that will later be acquitted

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Post by queenkjuul »

throw4573s2 wrote: post #471
stego-tech wrote: post #193

All the bickering about the validity of this specific story and the “if you don’t like it don’t ever leave home to go anywhere ever” misses the crux of the issue that these articles are trying to raise: * Do we agree that a law enforcement arm of any country should be allowed to perform warrantless searches of electronic devices? * Do we find it acceptable that persons with critical views are denied entry to countrie…

> On the flip side, I have serious doubts about my ability to enter authoritarian regimes like China because of my outspoken critique of government policies, regardless of my intentions within their borders. I’ve posted a lot of pro-Taiwan content and not once have I ever been interrogated at the Chinese borders. Many times they don’t even talk to me. Unless you are a well-known and famous agitator, I highly doubt th…

In the mind of most Americans, China simply must be worse in every way, despite any evidence they may encounter

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Post by queenkjuul »

bananalychee wrote: post #397
Disposal8433 wrote: post #375

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> which is something that actually happens in other countries Yes, but it's (IIRC) that it's so blatantly happening in the Land of the Free World where the first amendment of the constitution is touted as the best law ever written in history.

Is it so blatant, or does it just seems like it because of the sheer amount of spin being spun? I can think of a few stories that I think qualify as evidence of overstepping, but I can also think of several from 2021-2024. I don't like it, but none really come close to the level of the UK's speech policing. Reading the comments here you'd think we're worse than China. When it comes to border control, I've looked into…

Actually many first-hand comments here are making it pretty clear US border crossings are worse than China's, and that's mostly what I've heard from people who travel between the two as well.

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Post by specialist »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #217
paxys wrote: post #8

Wonder what the "political correctness is bad" "nobody is allowed to crack jokes anymore" "cancel culture is out of control" crowd will say about this one...

Every generation has its "free-speech advocates" moaning, "you can’t say anything anymore." The current panics: political correctness, cancel culture, jokes under siege, has the usual suspects asking, "What will the free-speech crowd say about this one?" This is a perfect example of Bourdieu's idea of symbolic violence and the violence of the arbitrary. The uncomfortable truth is, for many the thrill isn't in enforci…

Terrific write up. Thanks.

Yes and: Free speech maximalists seek freedom from consequences.

Reading your missive, I now have to consider how impunity is related to sovereignty.

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Post by queenkjuul »

msgodel wrote: post #509
mandmandam wrote: post #504

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is saying it isn't against federal law. It's still a demented justification to turn someone away from the country. "You can come here, buy weed in a majority of states, and face no fear of repercussions... Until you try and come back in". That's nutty . It's batshit. And, the real reason he was brought in - as brought up by the Immi officers - was that he was doing journalism at one of the anti-genocide protes…

It's probably not a good idea to have people on visas attending protests. Keep in mind I'm very much not pro Isreal, but it's not practical or moral to have foreign partisans participating in our politics that way.

Why would someone on a visa deserve to be denied freedom of assembly?

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Post by myvoiceismypass »

mrtksn wrote: post #481
throw4573s2 wrote: post #471

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> On the flip side, I have serious doubts about my ability to enter authoritarian regimes like China because of my outspoken critique of government policies, regardless of my intentions within their borders. I’ve posted a lot of pro-Taiwan content and not once have I ever been interrogated at the Chinese borders. Many times they don’t even talk to me. Unless you are a well-known and famous agitator, I highly doubt th…

American dystopia is based on total population control: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44354657 IRL, the dictatorships we have don’t actually control the population that much. As long as it doesn’t create problems for the administration , nobody cares what you talk about..

At least the US does not censor Winnie the Pooh... yet (See https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-40627855)

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Post by queenkjuul »

BergAndCo wrote: post #475
neilv wrote: post #163

> He claims he was then strip-searched, forced to give blood samples, a facial scan and fingerprints. > "Later I was taken back in, and the situation got even worse. I was pushed up against a wall and was strip-searched with a lot of force. They were incredibly harsh and used physical force the whole time," he claimed. > "I felt completely devastated and broke down, and was close to crying several times. I was on the…

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The secret police would surely never lie about their motivations

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Post by hermanzegerman »

account42 wrote: post #520
hermanzegerman wrote: post #189

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Bullshit. They won't let you board a plane heading towards the US without a valid ESTA/Visum and Passport

The airline and airport have no way to check your Visa or ESTA status.

Wrong. DHS tells the Airlines your ESTA Status, so they won't let you board if you don't have a valid one. And if you don't have one, the Airlines will check for a Visa

"DHS communicates a traveler’s ESTA status to the carriers. However, DHS recommends that travelers print out the ESTA application response as a record of their ESTA application number to confirm their ESTA status."

https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/esta/frequ...

They also have DHS Agents on the departure Airports, which already tell the Airlines which Passengers aren't allowed to board. If the Airlines violate against this, they face severe consequences like a ban from US Airspace

https://netzpolitik.org/2014/bundesregierung-beauskunftet-re...

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by RemainsOfTheDay »

Disposal8433 wrote: post #29

Going to the USA as a tourist might be the most stupid action that one can make at this time. Unless you have a dying mother or father, there is absolutely no reason to visit this country. It reminds me of the tourists that used to go to North Korea for fun some years ago, it never was a good idea.

Are the grapes sour?
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