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Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by mandmandam »

account42 wrote: post #495
Someone1234 wrote: post #104

It is worth noting that the US has been doing digital device searches coming up to twenty years now. I had my phone searched back in the early 2000s, and my most recent US Visa required me to list all social media accounts. I've even read (but not experienced) reports of GrayKey or UFED being used to download someone's unlocked phone for offline analysis also. Your choices at the border are either: Unlock your phone…

> Your choices at the border are either: Unlock your phone and MAYBE get let in, or refuse which That's if they search your phone which isn't standard procedure for every entry. Likely it means you have already been flagged for something else.

Do you understand how that doesn't make it okay?

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Post by mandmandam »

BergAndCo wrote: post #475
neilv wrote: post #163

> He claims he was then strip-searched, forced to give blood samples, a facial scan and fingerprints. > "Later I was taken back in, and the situation got even worse. I was pushed up against a wall and was strip-searched with a lot of force. They were incredibly harsh and used physical force the whole time," he claimed. > "I felt completely devastated and broke down, and was close to crying several times. I was on the…

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You don't seem to be responding to anything in the parent comment, but it's still worth pointing out: the "admitted drug use" was simply smoking weed while in California a few years ago.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by mandmandam »

account42 wrote: post #497
legitster wrote: post #270

This story sounded a little suspicious, or at least incomplete. It never mentioned why he was singled out by the border agent. Also, ICE would probably not have been involved at all. I looked up the article in Norwegian Reddit and someone posted a link to this person's Youtube channel where he shoots guns and (apparently, as I don't speak the language) has made comments about the President. https://www.youtube.com/ch…

CPB says it was because of drug use: https://x.com/CBP/status/1937651325354795444

He said himself that's what the legal 'justification' was (not the real reason, which was his documentation of anti-genocide protests) - because he admitted to smoking weed while in California (where it was legal at the time) a few years back.

I don't get why people keep posting that tweet in this thread as if it justifies what happened. It's insane, and needs to be addressed.

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Post by mandmandam »

msgodel wrote: post #500
mandmandam wrote: post #499

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The claim: "for his admitted drug use" The context: He smoked weed in California, where it's legal, years ago. This guy isn't a drug trafficker. He's not doing meth or heroin, never did. He smoked weed, in a legal state (as millions of Americans do on a daily basis). Then he made the critical mistake of handing over his phone to be searched, rather than flying home (!), upon which advanced creepy software (probably d…

It's not legal in any state because using/selling it is against federal law.

No one is saying it isn't against federal law.

It's still a demented justification to turn someone away from the country. "You can come here, buy weed in a majority of states, and face no fear of repercussions... Until you try and come back in". That's nutty. It's batshit.

And, the real reason he was brought in - as brought up by the Immi officers - was that he was doing journalism at one of the anti-genocide protests.

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Post by account42 »

mandmandam wrote: post #503
account42 wrote: post #497

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CPB says it was because of drug use: https://x.com/CBP/status/1937651325354795444

He said himself that's what the legal 'justification' was (not the real reason, which was his documentation of anti-genocide protests) - because he admitted to smoking weed while in California (where it was legal at the time) a few years back. I don't get why people keep posting that tweet in this thread as if it justifies what happened. It's insane, and needs to be addressed.

The tweet is relevant because it refutes the claim that he was denied entry because of a political meme which is what the article implies.

The legality of weed in the US is quite complicated. It is officially still as illegal as ever at the federal level and those laws are the ones that border control care most about. I never said that being denied entry because of that is "fair" or how things should work but it is not entirely unexpected. The US has historically been very hard on drugs and anyone visting ought to know that. It's best not to test the limits of the laws when you are a guest in a foreign country.

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Post by account42 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #444
olalonde wrote: post #399

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They don't ask any questions when you leave either, unless you overstayed your visa. In that case, they just ask you to come back with money to pay the fine. It's actually kind of funny: they don’t detain you or anything, just politely tell you to find an ATM and come back when you have cash to pay the fine.

This happened to my wife in Japan when we were trying to board the second try of our flight cancelled the day before. I told them "we don't have any Japanese money, and anyways, this was Delta's fault, so just get them to pay." We sat around for a half hour while they got Delta to pay her fine.

Do they not have ATMs at the airport? Seems unnecessarily risky to not just take the opportunity to pay the fine as quickly as possible - visa overstays can easily end in detention in many (especially Asian) countries and not just in the US.

And while the delay might have been the airline's fault and possibly you could have a civil claim against them for damages incurred it is still your responsibility to have a valid Visa and not overstay it and also your responsibility to pay any fines for it (which you may or may not be able to get reimbursed).

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Post by account42 »

olalonde wrote: post #399
raverbashing wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is not worried about who enters. They're worried about who leaves

They don't ask any questions when you leave either, unless you overstayed your visa. In that case, they just ask you to come back with money to pay the fine. It's actually kind of funny: they don’t detain you or anything, just politely tell you to find an ATM and come back when you have cash to pay the fine.

I don't know about about the specifics in China but amnesty for short overstays if they don't catch you on the street for it but you are actually trying to leave is not uncommon in the region. Longer overstays especially when not self-reported can easily end in detention though.

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Post by account42 »

olalonde wrote: post #394
oceansky wrote: post #11

Does even China does that? Go through pics on your personal device at the border? Refuse entry over memes.

Nope, they barely even talk to you. I've crossed the Chinese border literally hundreds of times, mostly from Hong Kong. They usually don’t ask anything and if they do, it's just a basic "What's the purpose of your visit?" I’ve never had my bags searched or been sent to secondary inspection. Even crossed with one barefoot once (long story) and wasn't even asked about it. In contrast, my worst border experiences have b…

> They usually don’t ask anything and if they do, it's just a basic "What's the purpose of your visit?" I’ve never had my bags searched or been sent to secondary inspection.

FWIW in the US you usually also don't get asked more than that (not including questions on you Visa / visa exempt application) and searches are not standard procedure that everyone goes through.

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Post by msgodel »

mandmandam wrote: post #504
msgodel wrote: post #500

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not legal in any state because using/selling it is against federal law.

No one is saying it isn't against federal law. It's still a demented justification to turn someone away from the country. "You can come here, buy weed in a majority of states, and face no fear of repercussions... Until you try and come back in". That's nutty . It's batshit. And, the real reason he was brought in - as brought up by the Immi officers - was that he was doing journalism at one of the anti-genocide protes…

It's probably not a good idea to have people on visas attending protests.

Keep in mind I'm very much not pro Isreal, but it's not practical or moral to have foreign partisans participating in our politics that way.

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Post by thrance »

Alupis wrote: post #186
gruez wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Armed guards poked though his luggage. It's a slippery slope toward fascism. Is it? Lack of rights at the border isn't "fascism", it's the norm. I don't think any country gives you 4th amendment (or similar) rights at the border, even liberal democracies.

And nearly all "rights" are rights of citizens , not visitors...

So foreigners have no rights in the US?? You clearly do not understand the law, at all.
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