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Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by account42 »

sarchertech wrote: post #201
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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When I say it’s possible, I don’t think that it’s the official CBP policy, but I have had enough interactions with power tripping cops to believe that it’s possible that the kid was disrespectful to the wrong guy. Customs agents have wide latitude in determining who can enter, and I could see a situation where an already angry agent saw the Vance thing, got even angrier and said you’re outta here.

The situation could certainly have been escalated by a single officer in a bad mood but there must have been some flag that caused him to be pulled aside in the first place. That doesn't mean there was any real wrong doing on the part of the guy but with many of other similar claims against the US border agents mistreating EU citizens you do see some reason why they might have been spooked if you dig a little deeper. E.g. anything that could give CBP the idea that you intend to seek work in the US is just asking for trouble.

Edit: It was drug use according to CPB: https://x.com/CBP/status/1937651325354795444

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

perihelions wrote: post #110
ymhr wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even worse, you can omit “political” meme - he may be a political figure but as far as I can tell it has no relation to any policies…it’s just a silly picture.

Isn't the politics the entire point though? US federal law enforcement isn't jailing people over funny pictures; they're jailing people over funny pictures *of powerful government officials*. It's an instantly-recognizable trait of a certain kind of country: like "you can't refer to Xi Jinping as "Pooh", you go to jail for that", or "you can't talk about the King of Thailand's body weight, you go to jail for that"—it…

I don't think the King of Thailand was really a government official - more of a figurehead.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by edanm »

account42 wrote: post #488
edanm wrote: post #484

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the bigger picture includes completely changing the entire way the world works, the way countries work, how humans have always organized themselves, etc, then I think it makes sense that people are not looking at it because it is completely unrealistic and irrelevant. "Let's not discuss this specific government policy, because should governments even exist" is not very interesting.

Holy strawman dude. You don't have to abolish the entire concept of governments in order to guarantee basic human rights at border crossings. Countries work out all kinds of shared minimum standards in international agreements. Which is why the guy in the article is wrong: > I don't feel there is any point in contacting the State Department, nor do I think they have any power against such a powerful and strict countr…

Yes! You and I are in agreement.

It was the parent to my comment that was suggesting otherwise.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by account42 »

perihelions wrote: post #110
ymhr wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even worse, you can omit “political” meme - he may be a political figure but as far as I can tell it has no relation to any policies…it’s just a silly picture.

Isn't the politics the entire point though? US federal law enforcement isn't jailing people over funny pictures; they're jailing people over funny pictures *of powerful government officials*. It's an instantly-recognizable trait of a certain kind of country: like "you can't refer to Xi Jinping as "Pooh", you go to jail for that", or "you can't talk about the King of Thailand's body weight, you go to jail for that"—it…

The guy wasn't jailed, he was detained until he could be put on a return flight the same day.

That he was refused entry because of the picture is his speculation and likely not the full truth because they only found the picture after already pulling him aside.

There is certainly questionable behavior by the CPB here if the description is correct but lets not make conclusions that aren't backed by facts.

Edit: CPB refutes that he was denied entry because of the meme: https://x.com/CBP/status/1937651325354795444

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by account42 »

Someone1234 wrote: post #104

It is worth noting that the US has been doing digital device searches coming up to twenty years now. I had my phone searched back in the early 2000s, and my most recent US Visa required me to list all social media accounts. I've even read (but not experienced) reports of GrayKey or UFED being used to download someone's unlocked phone for offline analysis also. Your choices at the border are either: Unlock your phone…

> Your choices at the border are either: Unlock your phone and MAYBE get let in, or refuse which

That's if they search your phone which isn't standard procedure for every entry. Likely it means you have already been flagged for something else.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by account42 »

matsemann wrote: post #392
legitster wrote: post #270

This story sounded a little suspicious, or at least incomplete. It never mentioned why he was singled out by the border agent. Also, ICE would probably not have been involved at all. I looked up the article in Norwegian Reddit and someone posted a link to this person's Youtube channel where he shoots guns and (apparently, as I don't speak the language) has made comments about the President. https://www.youtube.com/ch…

> Which seems to hint that the subject arrived in the US without proper paperwork. No, it's just a general statement. Because they can't comment on specific cases. Also note, he would not have been allowed to board the plane in Norway if he didn't have the papers in order. They check that before going to that part of the international terminal.

That's not true, at least hasn't been true for me when travelling to the US from Germany. They check you passport of course and you need to state that you have a valid visa / ESTA / etc. but the departing airport or airline has no way to check that.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by account42 »

legitster wrote: post #270

This story sounded a little suspicious, or at least incomplete. It never mentioned why he was singled out by the border agent. Also, ICE would probably not have been involved at all. I looked up the article in Norwegian Reddit and someone posted a link to this person's Youtube channel where he shoots guns and (apparently, as I don't speak the language) has made comments about the President. https://www.youtube.com/ch…

CPB says it was because of drug use: https://x.com/CBP/status/1937651325354795444

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by matsemann »

docmars wrote: post #449

Update: this story was debunked and is false, according to CBP directly: https://x.com/CBP/status/1937651325354795444

Debunked is a strong word. Why trust CBP more than this person? It's not like the current government is known for never lying.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by mandmandam »

account42 wrote: post #494
perihelions wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the politics the entire point though? US federal law enforcement isn't jailing people over funny pictures; they're jailing people over funny pictures *of powerful government officials*. It's an instantly-recognizable trait of a certain kind of country: like "you can't refer to Xi Jinping as "Pooh", you go to jail for that", or "you can't talk about the King of Thailand's body weight, you go to jail for that"—it…

The guy wasn't jailed, he was detained until he could be put on a return flight the same day. That he was refused entry because of the picture is his speculation and likely not the full truth because they only found the picture after already pulling him aside. There is certainly questionable behavior by the CPB here if the description is correct but lets not make conclusions that aren't backed by facts. Edit: CPB ref…

The claim: "for his admitted drug use"

The context: He smoked weed in California, where it's legal, years ago.

This guy isn't a drug trafficker. He's not doing meth or heroin, never did. He smoked weed, in a legal state (as millions of Americans do on a daily basis).

Then he made the critical mistake of handing over his phone to be searched, rather than flying home (!), upon which advanced creepy software (probably developed and funded by some of this very crowd) flagged this 'federal crime' of smoking weed while in Cali.

So yes, the meme is a red herring, but it's distracting from a thing that's still incredibly fucked up.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by msgodel »

mandmandam wrote: post #499
account42 wrote: post #494

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The guy wasn't jailed, he was detained until he could be put on a return flight the same day. That he was refused entry because of the picture is his speculation and likely not the full truth because they only found the picture after already pulling him aside. There is certainly questionable behavior by the CPB here if the description is correct but lets not make conclusions that aren't backed by facts. Edit: CPB ref…

The claim: "for his admitted drug use" The context: He smoked weed in California, where it's legal, years ago. This guy isn't a drug trafficker. He's not doing meth or heroin, never did. He smoked weed, in a legal state (as millions of Americans do on a daily basis). Then he made the critical mistake of handing over his phone to be searched, rather than flying home (!), upon which advanced creepy software (probably d…

It's not legal in any state because using/selling it is against federal law.
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