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Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by legitster »

snickerdoodle12 wrote: post #368
legitster wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, this is common practice at nearly every border crossing for nearly every country (including Norway).

They might turn you around, but they're not going to beat you up and strip search you for not having the right papers.

https://www.sivilombudet.no/en/news/prevention-torture/body-...

Norway regularly strip searches suspects, to mostly the same level of standard as other European countries and even the US.

The grounds they use to determine suspicion might be different, but in both countries a lot of discretion is given to the officers.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by School-Cotton »

Alupis wrote: post #186
gruez wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Armed guards poked though his luggage. It's a slippery slope toward fascism. Is it? Lack of rights at the border isn't "fascism", it's the norm. I don't think any country gives you 4th amendment (or similar) rights at the border, even liberal democracies.

And nearly all "rights" are rights of citizens , not visitors...

This is false in every country I know of with even a rudimentary adherence to the rule of law, including the US.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by tasuki »

I kind of get all the other stuff, horrid, yes, but ok: US is a barbarian state.

But what is it with refusing water? Hydration is extremely important. I'm never voluntarily going near any situation which could result in me being refused water.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by airforce1 »

mpalmer wrote: post #212
BurningFrog wrote: post #96

Let me just point out that the only source we have for this story is one angry Norwegian. The only verified fact is that he was denied entry.

It's pretty hard to corroborate a story like this. Everyone has to make their own judgment, but I cannot give the benefit of the doubt to the US government. What reason does this guy have to lie? If he was denied entry because of something actually illegal or non legit, why would he risk this exposure to make something up? If he wasn't denied entry and just decided to fly home and make up the lie, why pay for a vacat…

> What reason does this guy have to lie?

It might not be 100% lies, it might be "based on a true story". The temptation to embellish/frame yourself as the faultless protagonist is instinctive and there are hundreds of examples of people doing it. Narrative shifts are super common in cases where facts are initially sparse and then more come to light... we don't have the whole context.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by legitster »

stego-tech wrote: post #193

All the bickering about the validity of this specific story and the “if you don’t like it don’t ever leave home to go anywhere ever” misses the crux of the issue that these articles are trying to raise: * Do we agree that a law enforcement arm of any country should be allowed to perform warrantless searches of electronic devices? * Do we find it acceptable that persons with critical views are denied entry to countrie…

Borders in particular are tricky things. You don't have any legal right to be admitted into a country that doesn't want you, and there is no due process that protects you. Warrants are not really a thing. So it really comes down to how friendly your countries are with each other and how much you are willing to put up with to get entry.

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Post by [deleted] »

Bhilai wrote: post #283
Findecanor wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I expect this British man [0] to have cancelled this family trip to Miami now, after having found a picture online of his tattoo with his daughter's date and time of birth being published by the ICE as an example of a "Venezuelan gang tattoo". 0. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly22xm8kx1o

Elect a clown, expect a circus.

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Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by FredPret »

mywittyname wrote: post #376
FredPret wrote: post #339

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Despite the headline on this article you still have way more freedom and specifically freedom of speech in the US than the rest of us. The law works differently at the border, especially for non-citizens. Tourists don't have any legal right to get in. You may argue that the guards should be kinder and I would agree. The historical examples you mention involve racism and slavery that were terrible but also the global…

> you still have way more freedom and specifically freedom of speech in the US than the rest of us Depends on who "you" are. There some some who are allowed to openly make tangible, if thinly veiled death threats to others without repercussions. Others can have their lives ruined over trivial things. The "you"s who are not granted as much freedom of speech are aware of it and only express themselves among trusted peo…

There is now an absolute fountain of criticism of the current administration, the USA itself, and the entire West coming from every demographic in the USA. This isn't a new thing or restricted to Trump. I don't see any mass arrests, chilling of media, or official propaganda making the rounds.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by IncreasePosts »

tensor wrote: post #338
IncreasePosts wrote: post #10

Is this the visitor's own take on what happened? Or did they tell him "you're denied entry because of your JD Vance meme"? Per the article they also asked him a bunch of other things like about right wing terrorism. Maybe his answers sucked? Maybe he was being evasive? There was the case a few months ago of a Canadian lady being detained and denied entry "for no reason", and then it turned out she wanted to work in t…

You mean the Canadian who went to the southern border to "get a new work permit" after securing a new job? Yeah, real sketchy that, applying for a work permit to work in the country.

You secure your work permit at a consular office in Canada, you don't try to enter the US on one type of visa with the intent to convert it to a work visa once you're in. That's called preconceived intent and is against the rules.

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Post by csa »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #78
knorker wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not when I went there. I needed a lot of paperwork for the visa at their embassy, and to surrender my passport for a few days, and a signed statement from my employer that I was not a journalist of any kind. I got in. I was sent to some form of secondary screening, but they apparently couldn't find anybody who could speak English, so they just let me in. Edit: I'm from a rich western country, in case it matters for a…

I did get a weird interaction in China fwiw. Let in fine but at one point i sat down to have lunch at a restaurant and 2 English speaking police officers sat down at my table and started asking if i was doing well etc. I just chatted making sure not to say anything negative about the government, talked about tourist sites and they left, they were fine, no issue. Just a weird interaction. I guess it's a routine part o…

> I guess it's a routine part of China's paranoia. They definitely do do weird things to check if tourists are causing trouble in some way i guess.

I’m guessing you actually did something suspicious or illegal without realizing it.

A common and simple example of this is taking pictures where it’s technically forbidden — airports, military buildings (these aren’t always obvious to visitors), religious sites, etc.

Another example would be interacting with a person of interest. This could be a Chinese person that they are watching, or a foreigner that they are keeping tabs on (e.g., embassy staff that they suspect of being an agent).

As a tourist, you probably wouldn’t notice these things or even be aware that they are a red flag.

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Post by LtWorf »

hermanzegerman wrote: post #126
jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #91

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Based on decades of experience with my family: it's only political correctness when other people do it. When they do it, it's just common decency, common sense, family values, etc. And as far as the original story, individual border agents should absolutely not be doing this to people because they have a meme on their phone, doubly so one where Vance shared a version of it himself. There is straight up no justificati…

What values does the US represent?

violence, oppression, and hypocrisy about it all
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