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Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by cadamsdotcom »

The job of border control people is risky as hell. Let in the wrong person, and they’ll trace it back to you. Deny the right person and you can spin it as patriotism.

There’s no recourse if you’re uncertain. You can’t wave over a manager - you’re expected to process the huge queue with more piling in all day.

You work multiple long shifts per week. In a single shift you make thousands of decisions with huge impact to your life going forward - huge downsides for mistakes.

When you make 1000 decisions in a shift, even a 0.1% error rate is one wrong decision per shift!

And even if you are a nice person, you need to keep your job. When your biggest boss has an unsympathetic streak, you tip more into “my mistakes will be punished” mode.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by kube-system »

freeone3000 wrote: post #260
kube-system wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the TSA security officers who are inspecting passengers and their luggage do not have arrest powers and are not armed. If you are doing something illegal, they call the police, and the police arrest you.

Does your need to be technically correct outweigh your need to understand an argument?

The adjective "armed" in my topmost comment wasn't a technicality, it was the entire point of the anecdote. Do you really think I was saying that the TSA never searches luggage? Obviously the TSA searches a lot of luggage, the thing they don't do is carry guns while doing so.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by bananalychee »

stego-tech wrote: post #193

All the bickering about the validity of this specific story and the “if you don’t like it don’t ever leave home to go anywhere ever” misses the crux of the issue that these articles are trying to raise: * Do we agree that a law enforcement arm of any country should be allowed to perform warrantless searches of electronic devices? * Do we find it acceptable that persons with critical views are denied entry to countrie…

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Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by legitster »

snickerdoodle12 wrote: post #357
legitster wrote: post #270

This story sounded a little suspicious, or at least incomplete. It never mentioned why he was singled out by the border agent. Also, ICE would probably not have been involved at all. I looked up the article in Norwegian Reddit and someone posted a link to this person's Youtube channel where he shoots guns and (apparently, as I don't speak the language) has made comments about the President. https://www.youtube.com/ch…

> Which seems to hint that the subject arrived in the US without proper paperwork. Ok, so help him fill out the proper paper work. At which point does this justify strip searching and assaulting someone?

Unfortunately, this is common practice at nearly every border crossing for nearly every country (including Norway).

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by brewdad »

freeone3000 wrote: post #260
kube-system wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the TSA security officers who are inspecting passengers and their luggage do not have arrest powers and are not armed. If you are doing something illegal, they call the police, and the police arrest you.

Does your need to be technically correct outweigh your need to understand an argument?

Facts matter and yours are wrong.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by Y_Y »

Bhilai wrote: post #267
spiderice wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Reminder: Support of free speech requires support of the right to say things that you loathe by people you hate or you don’t support free speech. No it doesn't. You're putting arbitrary limits to suit your views. You can support free speech for American citizens and also support using a foreigner's speech to determine whether or not we allow them into the country. That's just smart border policy. We should be vetti…

The first amendment of the US constitution grants freedom of speech to all persons. Courts have interpreted that first amendment applies broadly, even to non-citizens.

You raise a good point, but I'll opine that I don't think it's necessarily a broad definition of "person" that includes non-citizens.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu »

anigbrowl wrote: post #292
School-Cotton wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Not the person you originally replied to). Zero, but that's not the same question. If something I think is unacceptable happens at a low rate, the fact that I think it's bad doesn't mean it's necessarily rational to change one's travel plans because of it, if the rate is low enough. If I go to Iceland, there is some nonzero chance I'll be killed in a surprise volcanic eruption, but I wouldn't let that deter me from…

some nonzero chance I'll be killed in a surprise volcanic eruption Why would you compare an unpredictable natural risk with one stemming from human behavior and government policy? This is like saying speeding limits are a bad idea because some people are killed by lightning.

Because when we use a natural risk, we remove the fact that it's actual policy put forth and implemented by humans. Otherwise, the ideology will always be brought into question, while volcanos don't have an ideology that can conflict with itself.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by snickerdoodle12 »

legitster wrote: post #364
snickerdoodle12 wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Which seems to hint that the subject arrived in the US without proper paperwork. Ok, so help him fill out the proper paper work. At which point does this justify strip searching and assaulting someone?

Unfortunately, this is common practice at nearly every border crossing for nearly every country (including Norway).

They might turn you around, but they're not going to beat you up and strip search you for not having the right papers.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by airforce1 »

Surprised this story has not been flagged as it's essentially political flamebait - an uncorroborated, unverifiable account from a single person trashing the current US administration and causing everyone to pile on their hot takes and equally unverifiable and possibly embellished anecdotes.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by esbranson »

pluc wrote: post #31

Hmmm, in what other country is it a punishable offence to make fun of its dear leaders? Thailand? North Korea? Myanmar? Like it or not, these countries are who you are being compared to.

Pretty sure the comparison is between people who know what their country is doing, versus those who have no clue.
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