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Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Post by School-Cotton »

anigbrowl wrote: post #292
School-Cotton wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Not the person you originally replied to). Zero, but that's not the same question. If something I think is unacceptable happens at a low rate, the fact that I think it's bad doesn't mean it's necessarily rational to change one's travel plans because of it, if the rate is low enough. If I go to Iceland, there is some nonzero chance I'll be killed in a surprise volcanic eruption, but I wouldn't let that deter me from…

some nonzero chance I'll be killed in a surprise volcanic eruption Why would you compare an unpredictable natural risk with one stemming from human behavior and government policy? This is like saying speeding limits are a bad idea because some people are killed by lightning.

The point of analogies isn't to claim that the two things being compared are exactly identical, it's to draw attention to the ways in which they're similar that are relevant to the point being discussed.

By the way, I never said anything like "power tripping pro-MAGA border guards are okay because there are volcanoes in Iceland", so your lightning vs. speed limits analogy isn't relevant.

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Post by everfrustrated »

perihelions wrote: post #198
gruez wrote: post #165

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>disclose five years of social media history Where does it say that? Your source only says profiles need to be public Moreover your description is slightly misleading because it only applies to "all applicants for F, M, and J nonimmigrant visas", which notably excludes tourism visas (B-2). The visas listed all seem to be academic related, presumably because the administration wants to crack down on woke ivy league st…

It was on HN yesterday, > "THE US EMBASSY in Dublin is tightening its visa requirements, saying that future applicants looking to visit the country will be required to divulge “all social media usernames or handles of every platform they have used from the last five years” on their visa application form." https://www.thejournal.ie/us-visa-changes-6740830-Jun2025/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44354298 (209 com…

Irish citizens aren't using the US Embassy in Dublin to travel to the US. That is servicing non-Irish citizens with Irish residency.

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Post by platevoltage »

macinjosh wrote: post #255
titzer wrote: post #237

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> We should be vetting who we allow into our country, and using their speech is one way to vet them. Who is this "we" and what rules govern these "we"? What are the consequences for this "we" just up and violating the rules or throwing those rules out altogether to grift, stay in power and persecute those they hate?

The we is the people elected through democratic means to execute the law and the people they appoint. Maybe someday the civilized world will realize democracy often ends in the case of two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.

Oh come on. The very reason this is even happening is because the person with less votes was installed as president in 2016.

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Post by brewdad »

orangecat wrote: post #275
paxys wrote: post #8

Wonder what the "political correctness is bad" "nobody is allowed to crack jokes anymore" "cancel culture is out of control" crowd will say about this one...

Wonder what the "political correctness is bad" "nobody is allowed to crack jokes anymore" "cancel culture is out of control" crowd will say about this one As someone who would be closer to that side than the opposite: this is terrible and unacceptable. (It is not that hard to have actual principles)

It may not be hard but it does seem rare these days.

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Post by jccalhoun »

kube-system wrote: post #195
supertrope wrote: post #2

A teacher in school told me about the time they visited East Germany. Armed guards poked though his luggage. It's a slippery slope toward fascism.

Interestingly, as an American, literally the only time I've had my luggage poked through by an armed guard was in a social democracy in Europe.

Conversely, as an American, the only time I've had my luggage poked through was coming back into the USA. I don't remember if they were armed though.

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Post by gwbennett »

jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #133
hermanzegerman wrote: post #126

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What values does the US represent?

Supposedly freedom of speech for one. Hard to see that as being real today.

It was harder to see during COVID.

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Post by Sanzig »

nostrademons wrote: post #289
TremendousJudge wrote: post #236

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> If the U.S. disintegrates nowhere on earth is safe. This is a very Hollywood action film way of seeing the world. In the case of an American civil war, it's unlikely that it will be fought using nuclear weapons, and in that case, it's unlikely that they would use any on say, Chile, or Australia. Europeans are screwed though.

That's not really the threat model. It's that the U.S. has played the role of policing the world's oceans and world's regional conflicts since WW2. If the U.S. descends into civil war, it will be too preoccupied with internal power struggles to continue to play that role. Many, many countries elsewhere in the world will take the opportunity to settle old scores and jockey for regional advantage. Meanwhile, the popula…

> Pakistan (freed from fear of international condemnation) drops a nuke in India

India is also a nuclear state, so this is pretty unlikely unless the wheels really come off the deterrence strategy. North Korea attacking South Korea perhaps, but even that seems unlikely as it would greatly anger NK's closest ally of China.

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Post by tensor »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #10

Is this the visitor's own take on what happened? Or did they tell him "you're denied entry because of your JD Vance meme"? Per the article they also asked him a bunch of other things like about right wing terrorism. Maybe his answers sucked? Maybe he was being evasive? There was the case a few months ago of a Canadian lady being detained and denied entry "for no reason", and then it turned out she wanted to work in t…

You mean the Canadian who went to the southern border to "get a new work permit" after securing a new job? Yeah, real sketchy that, applying for a work permit to work in the country.

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Post by FredPret »

propagandist wrote: post #100
mywittyname wrote: post #3

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We are at the bottom of that slope and are being buried under all of the shit that's continuing to slide down it.

From slavery to the Chinese exclusion act to Jim Crow to the Japanese internment camps to the patriot act. It's hard to make the case we were anything but. What has changed recently is technology collapsing the world into a single blob of information, and that aspect gets worse every year.

Despite the headline on this article you still have way more freedom and specifically freedom of speech in the US than the rest of us.

The law works differently at the border, especially for non-citizens. Tourists don't have any legal right to get in. You may argue that the guards should be kinder and I would agree.

The historical examples you mention involve racism and slavery that were terrible but also the global standard at the time.

The Patriot Act is scary, but it doesn't seem much better elsewhere in the Anglosphere or in Europe. Say something impolitic loud enough and you'll get in trouble anywhere.

Here's hoping individual freedoms win in the end.

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Post by platevoltage »

DudeOpotomus wrote: post #324
markx2 wrote: post #273

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2006. O'Hare. I'm close to the front when exiting a UK > US plane. The 'agent' sees an implant (self-done years prior) in the back of my right hand. Calls it 'brutal'. I was directed to sit in a chair until way after the whole flight had disembarked. I was then questioned about my luggage, reasons for visiting. Some years later "Pull the guy with tattoos". Full search. Year or two after that, New York, pulled from th…

Isnt that why you did all that to your body? To get attention from other people? This was just not the kind of attention you thought you'd get... Drawing attention to yourself results in attention. Who knew.

This is the type of comment I would expect from someone who tells women to go out in public in a potato sack to avoid unwanted attention, and if they choose not to, the harassment is their fault.
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