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Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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The market has decided the benefit of a bigger battery and screen outweighs bigger size.

The market? The manufacturers or the people? Phones that were biggest size/weight only six or seven years ago are now not even available anymore. Why? I cannot imagine that all(!) people want phones that now weigh at least 180g (most even 200+g) and have huge displays. Do people need to play games all the time? I don’t. I just want a phone to support me with some helpful apps like train/bus timetables, play music, do…

>The market? The manufacturers or the people?

The latter, because AFAIK iPhone 12/13 minis sold rather poorly, and apple discontinued them.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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> To facilitate planned obsolescence, manufacturers stop providing OS updates I don't think it works like that. Manufacturers stop providing OS updates as soon as they can because providing any kind of support has a cost. Planned obsolescence means "they care about making it obsolete" (active). But the reality is that they just "don't care about keeping the product alive" (passive). And the only way to make them prov…

Manufactures care about support for as long as they think consumers will care. If phones stop working one month after you buy them consumers would revolt. They have decided that 2 years is an acceptable number for customers - long enough that most will be willing to pay to upgrade after that long. If you are one of the "cheap" customers who want to keep your phone longer they want to force you to spend money and most…

And that is why we need regulations that force them to make phones that last longer.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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You're conveniently ignoring everything that came before that, where they deconstructed why the idea does not make sense.

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> Has nothing to do with rudeness. And "deconstruction" was rather narrow mindedness, that is locking GrapheneOS to corporation made phones.

Corporation made phones as opposed to organically grown phones?

Again, no one is locking down GrapheneOS you can literally download the source and try to get it to run on any device you like. You just want someone else to do the work for you because you lack the skills and it's not available for the particular phone you want.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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> they'll want one that is capable of My feeling is that phones are not evolving that quickly anymore, though. > If you upgrade a phone to get a new one with a better camera, well, the processor on the old one is probably decent still, it could be a mini PC where the camera quality doesn't matter. Sure, but if you didn't need the mini PC in the first place, then it's not more sustainable than throwing it away. It's a…

> Around me it's become more You've become older and the status symbols have changed.

Sure, that's part of it.

But I stay convinced that in the beginning of smartphones, they would dramatically improve every year. Now... not so much.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Sure they have a mission. But sometimes mission can be done by taking 1 step back to later make 2 steps forward in fast pace. At the end all profit. While in current state, the culprit, Google profits. And please keep fallacies like "do it yourself" for yourself, I am talking about collaboration, feel free to open another thread on top level about forks. Same goes for /e/ ... they just dont compare. GrapheneOS has tw…

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>Please consider the level of this comment requires, it's impressive.

It'd be nice if you blatantly didn't break HN rules.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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post #444

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You're conveniently ignoring everything that came before that, where they deconstructed why the idea does not make sense.

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> Again, this is a fallacy.

Okay, maybe you are not a native speaker, so you might mean a different thing with fallacy.

Here's the dictionary definition of fallacy

> an idea that a lot of people think is true but is in fact false [0] > a false belief [0]

My comment was

> Again, no one is locking down GrapheneOS you can literally download the source and try to get it to run on any device you like. You just want someone else to do the work for you because you lack the skills and it's not available for the particular phone you want.

Here is the link to the GrapheneOS Source: https://grapheneos.org/source

Here's the GrapheneOS FAQ regarding other Devices [1]

> Many other devices are supported by GrapheneOS at a source level, and it can be built for them without modifications to the existing GrapheneOS source tree. Device support repositories for the Android Open Source Project can simply be dropped into the source tree, with at most minor modifications within them to support GrapheneOS. In most cases, substantial work beyond that will be needed to bring the support up to the same standards. For most devices, the hardware and firmware will prevent providing a reasonably secure device, regardless of the work put into device support.

[0] https://dictionary.cambridge.org/de/worterbuch/englisch/fall... [1] https://grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices

Where's the fallacy?

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> And while I am searching for a way for GrapheneOS to grow, you are searching for a way to keep it limited to corporation made phones. And it is corporations that have the most interest to make it insecure trough hardware, SOC is just one day to do it. So you are failing even on security perspective.

There are no not-corporation made phones on this planet. Every conceivable part of a phone is made by a corporations from parts extracted from this planet by corporations, shipped and assembled by corporations. Do you think that the Fairphone, made by the fairphone corporation is not made by a corporation? From There Wikipage [2]

> Fairphone B.V. > Company type Privately held company

> And it is corporations that have the most interest to make it insecure trough hardware, SOC is just one day to do it. So you are failing even on security perspective.

So google, spending literally billions [3] on cybersecurity with a direct interest and industry leading track record in keeping pixel devices secure has an interest to make it insecure?

I stand by judgment: The required retardation for this kind of argument is amazing.

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairphone [3] https://blog.google/technology/safety-security/why-were-comm...

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So, i'm dealing with a first grade tech student that learned some cybersecurity words. Here's how you can prove me wrong, answer the following simple questions:

1. Why should the GrapheneOS Developers do the work you want them to do? They seem uninterested and I don't see you paying them the 100s of thousands of dollars to hire someone to do the work for them.

2. Name a Phone that's not made by a corporation.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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> Again, this is a fallacy. Okay, maybe you are not a native speaker, so you might mean a different thing with fallacy. Here's the dictionary definition of fallacy > an idea that a lot of people think is true but is in fact false [0] > a false belief [0] My comment was > Again, no one is locking down GrapheneOS you can literally download the source and try to get it to run on any device you like. You just want someon…

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Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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phone wishlist: - user-replaceable battery - 7+ years of security updates - iPhone 13 mini size - iPhone 13 mini camera quality - plastic exterior - headphone jack - fairphone-style sustainability, repairability and part availability - GrapheneOS compatibility - fingerprint reader either on the back or on the power button I miss my Pyxel 4a :-(

The size is not coming back. Anything else might or might not but the size is not and it's sad. My only guess is - some kind of bespoke/niche phone maker with a good profit margin might make it "on demand". Of course not "one order from customer, one order to their factory" kinda setup - you get the drift. Some kind of blocking/reserving fee for priority shipping etc. I had kind of hoped Nothing could be that OEM. Bu…

> My only guess is - some kind of bespoke/niche phone maker with a good profit margin might make it

Unihertz makes some very small android phones. I've never purchased one so I can't vouch for their quality.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Manufactures care about support for as long as they think consumers will care. If phones stop working one month after you buy them consumers would revolt. They have decided that 2 years is an acceptable number for customers - long enough that most will be willing to pay to upgrade after that long. If you are one of the "cheap" customers who want to keep your phone longer they want to force you to spend money and most…

And that is why we need regulations that force them to make phones that last longer.

Why should someone who is going to throw their phone away in 2 years (or less) anyway be forced to subsidize those who want to keep theirs longer? There is a cost to supporting old hardware and that needs to be paid by someone.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The size is not coming back. Anything else might or might not but the size is not and it's sad. My only guess is - some kind of bespoke/niche phone maker with a good profit margin might make it "on demand". Of course not "one order from customer, one order to their factory" kinda setup - you get the drift. Some kind of blocking/reserving fee for priority shipping etc. I had kind of hoped Nothing could be that OEM. Bu…

> My only guess is - some kind of bespoke/niche phone maker with a good profit margin might make it Unihertz makes some very small android phones. I've never purchased one so I can't vouch for their quality.

They are about what you expect. Durable yes, long battery life yes, small screen, crappy camera, bad modem.

The one gigantic downside is that the software gets updated never. They launch with the bugs they launch with and those are the bugs you get forever. They have no interest in allowing any sort of custom rom support, so you get what you get.

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