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Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by bcye »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #361
choffee wrote: post #314

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They have a post about some of the reasons that the 5 was sustainable. It's not just the repair and modular parts but the whole supply chain. It' rarely gets talked about here as this is a mostly tech audience who focus on features, which are important, but Fairphone is more focused on the impact of the manufacture. https://www.fairphone.com/en/2023/08/30/is-the-fairphone-5-t...

That article subtly shifts from "sustainable" to "most sustainable"... It can be so while not really being sustainable. "Fair materials" means nothing. "100% e-waste neutral" is the same as claiming that you are "100% carbon neutral" because you buy carbon "offsets". It's dubious. There are real positives, though: " 100% recycled tin solder paste, 80% recycled steel, 75% post-consumer recycled plastics in the battery…

> So, for every Fairphone 5 we make, we responsibly collect and recycle 212 grams of electronic waste. And a lot of that waste is taken from countries where e-waste recycling is not a reality yet.

It does not seem like they are buying offsets. Also why would Fair materials mean nothing?

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by LexGray »

dotancohen wrote: post #115
BariumBlue wrote: post #106

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I use my USB-C port to listen to my wired headphones all the time, no problem. Phone jack is now redundant now that USB-C can output audio

That USB-C jack is not nearly as strong and robust as a proper headphone jack.

I do not think I have owned a single device where the headphone jack was the first item to have issues or fail. Even unused debris would trigger switches changing sound sources. I am happy to be done with wired headphones being yanked off my head.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by [deleted] »

palata wrote: post #315
squarefoot wrote: post #245

All phones eventually become obsolete, but their guts could be used in so many ways. I'd love for example if someone made an enclosure acting also as multi port docking station so that old phones with unlocked bootloader (Fairphone being one of them) could be reflashed with a different operating system then used as mini PCs, media players, IoT wall terminals with bigger screens or other uses. Seeing all that perfectl…

> then used as mini PCs, media players, IoT wall terminals with bigger screens or other uses If they can be used like that, why couldn't they be used... as phones? Changing phone every two years is not sustainable, even if the old phone is used as an IoT wall terminal: it's still "consuming" one phone every two years. In a sense, an old phone in a drawer uses less energy than an old phone staying powered to control a…

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Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by stiray »

DaSHacka wrote: post #396
ikurei wrote: post #340

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> Please consider the level of retardation this comment requires, it's impressive. This is not how we have civilized discussions. To say this just because you disagree with someone about the security of an OS... Hope the mods see this.

You're conveniently ignoring everything that came before that, where they deconstructed why the idea does not make sense.

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Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by stiray »

palata wrote: post #388
stiray wrote: post #336

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In your given scenario (no Google Services, no microG), compatibility is the issue. I dont use Android because I like it. I use it because I am forced to use it, without it I cant connect to corporate VPN, cant even take public transport (actually I can use NFC card and take a lot of care never to lose money on it, to drive to first place where I can charge it). Banking software. Update firmware for my headset. Then…

Respectfully, you did not really give an answer to my question, you elaborated on the complaining. What is it that makes GrapheneOS "good enough" (Would you say "perfect"? You seem to want "perfect") in terms of privacy, and /e/OS / CalyxOS / LineageOS unbearable?

That part is simple, install it and check the settings.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by parineum »

palata wrote: post #330
TheDong wrote: post #326

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People will usually only carry one phone, and they'll want one that is capable of running recent apps, storing their photos and music, and also taking high quality photos. If you upgrade a phone to get a new one with a better camera, well, the processor on the old one is probably decent still, it could be a mini PC where the camera quality doesn't matter. Also, it's a status symbol, you can't just _not_ upgrade.

> they'll want one that is capable of My feeling is that phones are not evolving that quickly anymore, though. > If you upgrade a phone to get a new one with a better camera, well, the processor on the old one is probably decent still, it could be a mini PC where the camera quality doesn't matter. Sure, but if you didn't need the mini PC in the first place, then it's not more sustainable than throwing it away. It's a…

> Around me it's become more

You've become older and the status symbols have changed.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by mytailorisrich »

bcye wrote: post #441
mytailorisrich wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That article subtly shifts from "sustainable" to "most sustainable"... It can be so while not really being sustainable. "Fair materials" means nothing. "100% e-waste neutral" is the same as claiming that you are "100% carbon neutral" because you buy carbon "offsets". It's dubious. There are real positives, though: " 100% recycled tin solder paste, 80% recycled steel, 75% post-consumer recycled plastics in the battery…

> So, for every Fairphone 5 we make, we responsibly collect and recycle 212 grams of electronic waste. And a lot of that waste is taken from countries where e-waste recycling is not a reality yet. It does not seem like they are buying offsets. Also why would Fair materials mean nothing?

They are claiming that they are recycling something to offset their phones... that's nice but it tells us very little.

"Fair materials" means nothing in itself and certainly nothing in relation to sustainability.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by MaKey »

lnsru wrote: post #298
mindok wrote: post #295

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Not the original commenter, but it regularly fails to update emails unless it is restarted. Last 2 major iOS versions have had the same problem for me. That’s a fundamental functionality failure in my book.

This! Continuously restart app to read new mail.

It's pretty embarrassing that Apple doesn't bother fixing this issue.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by thaumasiotes »

wisenull wrote: post #402
thaumasiotes wrote: post #216

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> I can't charge and use headphones at the same time (unless I buy a different, bulkier, adapter) Well, that's better than things used to be... I had a Zen Stone that I used to play music in the car by plugging a cassette tape adapter into the audio jack. For convenience, I bought a cigarette lighter adapter to power it, so that I wouldn't have to take it out of my car when it needed charging. Except it turned out no…

I also had a Zen Phone (if that's what you meant) and it definitely played audio while charging. All the phones that I have had with a audio jack would charge and play audio without any issues, ranging from a lot of different Samsung Galaxy to Wiko phones.

> I also had a Zen Phone (if that's what you meant)

No, that's not what I meant. I said Zen Stone. Turns out, I meant Zen Stone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Zen#ZEN_Stone/Stone_P...

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by palata »

stiray wrote: post #445
palata wrote: post #388

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Respectfully, you did not really give an answer to my question, you elaborated on the complaining. What is it that makes GrapheneOS "good enough" (Would you say "perfect"? You seem to want "perfect") in terms of privacy, and /e/OS / CalyxOS / LineageOS unbearable?

That part is simple, install it and check the settings.

I use /e/OS without the Google Play Services. I don't use any app from the FAANGs, and /e/OS uses a custom location service and blocks thousands of trackers.

Surely that's better than "nothing", isn't it?

GrapheneOS is more secure, but you're talking privacy here. With GrapheneOS I could run the Play Store or Google Maps in a sandbox, but it would probably not be better than not running them at all, would it?

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