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Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by viraptor »

tedunangst wrote: post #174
viraptor wrote: post #39

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I'm not sure if you're trolling, or just don't like the Samsung devices, but either way... no they won't. At least not all of them. I'm sure there's going to be a group not satisfied with Samsung. There are also groups not satisfied with Apple. Some of those people will say - hey, this was always annoying me in i$DEVICE, but here's it's better. Why would you think everyone will hate it? (or even that they will have t…

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/08/21/samsung-galaxy-note-...

Thanks for the data point. Here's my data point - I like it better than iPad.

Or did you want to agree with me - that some people will choose one product and others choose the other one?

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by delllapssuck »

nachteilig wrote: post #173
delllapssuck wrote: post #5

Beautiful. For Apple, it's all about controlling the minds of consumers. And controlling their access to information about the devices. For Samsung, it's less about that and more about plain old lack of interoperability: proprietary plugs, crappy Windows proprietary "install" software that was written hastily, and other little annoyances, stuff that will only work with Samsung. Like every other Asian manufacturer for…

How can you claim to say what it's all about for Apple? You are very far out of bounds to claim it's about controlling something. From my perspective it's about making devices that offer a good experience, and from their current earnings I'd say that consumers believe it to be a fair price for that experience.

How can you define what is a "good experience" for other users?

What is a "good experience" for you might not be for someone else, e.g., someone who knows how to program, someone who knows how to make their computer do lots of things Apple's devices either cannot do or will no do unless Apple can extert control and extract income from the user in the process (after the user has purchased and owns the device!).

You cannot infer too much about what other users want simply from Apple's earnings. Users are bomabarded with marketing. They are told what to want. But most importantly they do not know what is possible.

Apple actively tries to prevent purchasers from tinkering with their own purchases to learn about them. If you keep users naive about what's possible from a computer, then it's easy to define the experience they will have (and claim they want the experience you provide). Because you are preventing users from exploring any other experience!

Apple computers are locked down. They do everything possible to try to stop you from even opening the case. As a user, I can't change much of anything about the "experience". I have to accept what Apple gives me, their definition of "user experience" and be happy with it. End of story. Is that choice? No. Fail.

No one define what is a "good experience" for anyone else. That is their decision to make. But you can control their access to information, manipulate their choices and pass their "decision" off as being independent and based on merit.

You can believe your own hype. You can even initiate lawsuits and claim they are not about patents and money, but about "values". Of course, outside of the industry, this looks quite silly. When I want to demonstrate my "values", I file lawsuits in order to do it? WTF? This is the culture at Apple. The legacy of Steve Jobs' emotional immaturity and hissy fits: "I'm gonna sue Google into oblivion for Android even if it brings down this company." (paraphrasing his whining on a cell phone call to Eric Schmidt from Burning Man when Android was released)

Apple's "values" are crystal clear. They've been pulling this crap since the 80's. It's just risen to unprecedented levels now with their post-iPod success. They have more influence on the industry as a whole than ever before.

They may turn out to be even more toxic to personal computing than Microsoft.

Be happy with what Apple gives you. Because if they have their way that is _all_ you're going to get.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by tedunangst »

viraptor wrote: post #181
tedunangst wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/08/21/samsung-galaxy-note-...

Thanks for the data point. Here's my data point - I like it better than iPad. Or did you want to agree with me - that some people will choose one product and others choose the other one?

I think the set of people who prefer Samsung devices and the set of people who are now going to buy a Samsung because it's "the same" as an Apple device are disjoint sets.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by esolyt »

snowwrestler wrote: post #160
esolyt wrote: post #60

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A power user is a user who regularly browses the web. Browsing the web on a 4.65-inch 1280x720 screen is significantly better than browsing the web on a 3.5-inch 960x640 screen. Reply to your edit: The fact that Android phones have low pixel density is absolutely wrong. That used to be the case. But now they have both larger screens and more pixels. Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy S3, HTC One X, Xperia S all have 1280x720 scree…

The 3.5" screen is better for me because it easily fits in any pocket, so I always have it with me, and the battery easily lasts all day even with heavy web browsing.

I am yet to see a male claiming Galaxy Note (5.3-inch screen) does not fit in his pocket. By the way, I am assuming you're a man because women don't carry their phones in their pocket.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by phaus »

tedunangst wrote: post #176
phaus wrote: post #33

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Some people do hate Samsung products, and some people just hate Android in general. It may come as a shock to you, but in spite of this fact, there are actually tens of millions of people out there who prefer Android, Windows, and reasonably priced laptops. I bought a retina iPad because at the time I was in the market, it was the best tablet available. If I were going to get one today, it would be a close call betwe…

I prefer Windows laptops, though I generally prefer Thinkpads which aren't much cheaper. As for Galaxy Note 10.1: http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/08/21/samsung-galaxy-note-... That is exactly what I'm talking about. People will buy it, because on paper it has even more checkboxes than the iPad, but then it just isn't going to work.

If I purchased the note over the iPad, it would be mainly for the digitizer. I am pretty sure though that everything else would work just fine.

The retail price of a ThinkPad may be kind of high, but normally x220s and x230s are on sale for 700-800, and they are awesome machines.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by shinratdr »

phaus wrote: post #106
shinratdr wrote: post #68

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That all depends on what's running on the screen. I find browsing on my iPhone much faster and more responsive on my iPhone vs my friends Android devices. I browse the web on my phone constantly. I still wouldn't rather a bigger screen at the expense of all the other benefits of a compact phone like one handed usage. I resent the implication that I'm not a power user or I don't really browse the web just because I pr…

If you had the option of buying an iPhone with a 4.65 inch, high resolution screen that still managed to be comfortable to use with 1 hand, would you still prefer the smaller version? If so, your choice would be a personal preference that has nothing to do with functionality, unless for some reasons your hands are too small to use a larger device with ease. From an objective standpoint, a phone with a larger screen i…

> If you had the option of buying an iPhone with a 4.65 inch, high resolution screen that still managed to be comfortable to use with 1 hand, would you still prefer the smaller version?

> If so, your choice would be a personal preference that has nothing to do with functionality...

Really? Would you say the same thing to someone buying a small car over an SUV? That the SUV is always a better ride, the only reason you would ever want something smaller is "personal preference"?

I doubt it. We can all see the benefits in a small sleek car over a clunky SUV but even though the benefits of a smaller phone are basically the same, they're lost on us. More efficient on fuel, more compact and easy to wield, speedier, sportier, overall a much nicer product.

Bigger wheels and a bigger car don't make a better drive. Likewise a bigger frame and bigger screen don't necessarily make for a better phone experience, unless that's what you're looking for.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by kmfrk »

lurker14 wrote: post #151
kmfrk wrote: post #36

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The title implies that it was indeed deliberately fashioned by someone.

How so?

The original title originally had the word "costumers" in it instead of "customers". :)

I see that the title has been changed at least twice since the joke.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by tripzilch »

nirvana wrote: post #110
paulgb wrote: post #81

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The comment was made about an iOS device, which it is more applicable too. Apple has a monopoly on legit iOS App distribution, where Android tablets and phones can install apps from the wild. It may sound like a small point, but the feeling that I didn't own my iPhone is a big reason I prefer Android.

> Apple has a monopoly on legit iOS App distribution, I know why you think that, but you're missing that there is a completely legitimate app distribution mechanism outside the AppStore. You can install (and distribute) whatever apps you want for iOS devices, and users can download them from the web and install them on the device. And I'm not talking about jailbreaking. Since the first day the iPhone has shipped, you…

> Further, if you want native apps of arbitrary origin, you can join the developer program and run whatever native apps you want.

If you want to run these native apps outside of the simulator, you need to pay $99/year, though..

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by bsg75 »

alberich wrote: post #94
epistasis wrote: post #88

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I honestly don't know what he's going to say, or how he thought it was a jail, and would like to know.

I just couldn't install any other usable operating system on the hardware other then Apple's OS. The specifications were closed, you couldn't get much anything useful installed on it because it depended on proprietary software that, of course, only worked on OS X. edit: besides, things don't look much better nowdays, eh?

I would be curious for some example of non-proprietary software you could install on Linux that would not work in one of the many options available to OS X users: homebrew/macports/fink, dual-boot (or replace the OS), virtualization, or just build from source.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by phaus »

shinratdr wrote: post #186
phaus wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you had the option of buying an iPhone with a 4.65 inch, high resolution screen that still managed to be comfortable to use with 1 hand, would you still prefer the smaller version? If so, your choice would be a personal preference that has nothing to do with functionality, unless for some reasons your hands are too small to use a larger device with ease. From an objective standpoint, a phone with a larger screen i…

> If you had the option of buying an iPhone with a 4.65 inch, high resolution screen that still managed to be comfortable to use with 1 hand, would you still prefer the smaller version? > If so, your choice would be a personal preference that has nothing to do with functionality... Really? Would you say the same thing to someone buying a small car over an SUV? That the SUV is always a better ride, the only reason you…

The comparison between a smartphone and an automobile doesn't make much sense. On one hand you compare a smaller car with an SUV. Large vehicles are were developed to fill a very specific need, and were never intended to eliminate the need for a normal sized car. To the majority of the population, which doesn't often need to haul around large amounts of stuff, trucks and SUV's don't enhance functionality in a significant way, yet they are often far more expensive to operate and maintain.

Large smartphones provide numerous enhancements in certain use cases, which can't really be debated. All else being equal, a large screen is better at displaying videos, documents, photos, books, and websites. Provided the phone remains reasonably small (the Galaxy Note is pushing it, but it's an extreme example), most people won't experience any significant drawbacks to having a larger phone. Most of the large screen phones are about an inch and a quarter larger than the iPhone's at most, so it's not like we are talking about a jump from a 5 ounce device to one that weighs two pounds. As I stated before, the only reason other than personal preference that one might have to stick with a smaller screen, would be if that particular user's hands were too small to use the phone comfortably.

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